The problem is that we have no idea what those numbers mean. They could put 9000 and it would not matter. How do modules effect that number? Mike said he wanted numbers in the HUD a long time ago. If you can't get them in the HUD just tell us in here. Mike also said this chart, http://i.imgur.com/omzijnI.png, is not accurate. Give us an accurate chart. Let us know how things work so we can make interesting decisions and have a real discussion. Let us test things in a Public Test Server and not demand more money from us to test. Give us DATA to form rational opinions and have constructive discussions. Else all we do is be mad at nerfs and nerd rage all day.
Fer de lance and expected python nerf
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The problem is that we have no idea what those numbers mean. They could put 9000 and it would not matter. How do modules effect that number? Mike said he wanted numbers in the HUD a long time ago. If you can't get them in the HUD just tell us in here. Mike also said this chart, http://i.imgur.com/omzijnI.png, is not accurate. Give us an accurate chart. Let us know how things work so we can make interesting decisions and have a real discussion. Let us test things in a Public Test Server and not demand more money from us to test. Give us DATA to form rational opinions and have constructive discussions. Else all we do is be mad at nerfs and nerd rage all day.
Bottom line: you have not paid for this level of service. No game developer "owes" you anything like this when not charging any sort of ongoing subscription. FD are absolutely within their rights to perform whatever rebalancing they please to their game.
Now. As it happens, FD do listen to us. And while they don't necessarily jump to every demand we issue, they do take our constructive criticism into account. So if you think this rebalance is a bad idea, then tell them so. But if you want to be taken seriously, you'd be wise to leave the bluster, insults and demands out of it. Or stop playing. Go tell your friends not to buy. But they'd be fools to pay you any heed.
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What info do you want? I can explain how the shield ratings are calculated, if that will help, based on another thread where Mike helped us work it out.
The short version is that currently the Python can have the strongest shields in the game (stronger than the 'conda). After the balance changes it will have the second strongest shields in the game after the 'conda - about two-thirds as strong as the 'conda and a third stronger than the combat capable ship in third place (the Clipper).
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and to take down a clippers shield is done in seconds if done right. so instad 3 seconds, it will take 4 seconds to rip a python....
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I want to be able to understand what -33% and -17% actually mean. I want Mike dragged back into this thread and make a really good post explaining what he means by in the hands of a good pilot it will still be good. I want values of base stats WITH UNITS OF MEASURE. I want to be able to form a cogent and thoughtful opinion of the changes. -33% and -17% tell me nothing because I do not know any of the current numbers on my ship. I do not care about BASE because I do know how modules effect BASE stats. I only know they make it better. If I can understand the delta between base and then change after upgrading to A6 is small no one can rage. But they are not telling us the DELTA we only have fear which leads to the dark side of nerd rage.
is the increase of shield class per module based on a fix value, or is it a %-value on top of the base?!
if last, that hte nerf is actually MORE than the number 33% suggests!
The only answer to the last question is that you should adapt to the came because the only way to make the game the right way is to make the way devs see it. There are about 300k players and each of them has his own opinion about the game. It is not possible to satisfy all them. However, as the devs are doing the game they want then it is our part to adapt. The fewer people working on making the modification the easier it is to come to a solution.
I find it suspect that the Python is getting nerfed after a large number of traders finally get to the point where they can buy it and start causing people who do not want to do trading cry about its power because it is not a combat ship. What about my complaint that all multipurpose ships out perform trading ships in every class? Asp beats Type-6, Clipper beats Type-7, and both Python and Anaconda beat Type-9. When is that fix coming? When are trading ships going to be desired and clear winner for hauling and trading? By the logic of the Python combat nerf the devs would want to "fix" the hauler ships.
It is not bad and the reason for doing re-balancing is constantly adding new elements to the existing game. You do not need to re-balancing anything ONLY in case you do not add anything and this would kill any MP game within weeks at best. The only way to keep the player base interest to the game is to constantly develop it. And constant development means that there are going be a situations that might re-balancing. I see no issues nor nothing bad in it. Moreover, I think that this is the only way to do it.
We are 38 days after launch. A massive rebalance this close to launch does not inspire confidence... To your point about developing and changes I understand but that is partnered with new ships, missions and other areas of gameplay. Do we know when this change is happening? Will it be partnered with other content to balance to that specific content? All we have been told is -33% base shields and -17% speed/trust/acceleration. With no other information. Combine this with the upcoming shield cell nerf and chaff nerf it is no longer financially responsible to fly a ship of the Python's cost when it can die so easily.
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As a matter of fact, the Asp was nerfed in Gamma, it lost a 64 cargo slot. 
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Asp does not beat Type 6 as Asp is much more expensive in maintenance costs and refuelling. Both ships have relatively similar velocities and cargo capacities. And given the fact that T6 repairs are very cheap you even do not need to worry about scratching it and having shields.
You need to become a baron to be able to buy Clipper and this requires some time. And in the best case scenario you would probably need 2 days to become a baron. Using T7 I was earning about 20M per day, so it took 4 days to get a Python. Spending 2 days getting a baron rank would mean that I would delay getting a Python by 50% of time. And that was definitely not worth it losing that much time to get a Clipper. Moreover, to be fair I would add another day to getting a Clipper as it is more expensive to upgrade it than T7.
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Yeah, man, I hate it when I buy a game and the devs just keep improving and expanding it and adding new stuff for free and fixing bugs all the time. Makes me wanna quit, too.
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Mike has been remarkably transparent about the changes in this very thread.
No one is going to have to re-learn how to fly the Python. It's not being radically changed in any way, it's just being toned down from 'stupidly strong' to 'very strong'.
It will still have very strong shields (second strongest in the game right now), it just won't have shields stronger than an Anaconda any more.
It will still be the most agile ship of its size class right now, it just won't be as agile as the Viper and Cobra any more.
The logic isn't 'other companies do it, therefore it's okay'. The logic is 'all companies do it this way because game balance is incredibly important and evolves over time as new things are added and old problems are fixed'.
Actually this proves that devs are fast to react to change it to unjustifiable position of a Python.
If they nerf the Python too much, I'll quit this game. I didn't grind hours and hours of trading to get a good, nice ship and then have it nerfed because some Cobra pilot died to it and went crying on the forums. Nerfing everything that the pvp community cries about is a sure way to kill this game.
130mil to get a decently fitted Python for combat, it absolutely should smoke Cobras and Vipers like nothing.
130mil to get a decently fitted Python for combat, it absolutely should smoke Cobras and Vipers like nothing.
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If you feel that shields across the game are too weak, that's a perfectly valid opinion and you should feel free to express it to the devs by posting about it. But it has nothing to do with the changes to the Python.
Yes because people grinding up for 50-100 hours solely to get into a ship that can beat Anacondas in combat and is also the best trade ship landing in outposts is exactly what FD had in mind?
If you like grinding to win, remember the Anaconda is still the best trading ship AND the best combat ship there is. Keep on truckin!
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Yes you can.
Can we please stop this argument? The Python is too good; not for PvP but for everything. Right now there is no space for other ships in this area because the Python has it all: armour, shields, speed, manoeuvrability, cargo space, the lot.
As the devs are spending some time looking at new ships they find that they need to readjust the Python so that it fits better in to both its general class and specific role, and makes space for more ships in the same general cost bracket. This isn't a bad thing, and will introduce new opportunities for all players.
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Really? Baron? Bought mine at Squire... Running without shields is a profit loss plain and simple. However, regardless of Type-6 or 7 the Type-9 is crap compared to the Anaconda. Oh it should be better because it costs a lot more than the Type-9? Well the Python costs a heck of a lot more than a Viper so it should be that much better and the Viper should not ever be able to kill a Python. I mention Viper a lot because it is the highest tier Combat ship right now. If we are nerfing the Python because it is too good might as well get a jump start on the Anaconda as it will be next target.
The overall point is that if you want multipurpose ships to be good at everything then the Single Role ships should be the best at their task for their given class. Type-9 should be a better profit per hour than the Anaconda because it is a single purpose ship. Even me in a Python can out trade a Type-9. I can do 2 runs of the same route that a Type-9 takes to do 1 run. My 289 cargo gives me more profit per hour than the Type-9 doing its one run.
Multipurpose ships should be okay not better than single purpose ships... when do trading ships get their buff?
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