AP Birdman
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Wow, what a bunch of sore winners. Your squad is a joke
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PvP First time in the PvP League 44th in action!
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Wow, what a bunch of sore winners. Your squad is a joke
LOL
You know it’s possible to say gimbals are a legitimate choice without claiming to be hot stuff. Have you been drinking too much Space Bushido kool-aid?
I do agree that gimbals should be modified in the sense that their efficacy should be dialed back by about 30% and tied in with sensor size and rating.
Having them linked with sensor size and rating would be cool as heck. Maybe tie it in with engineering choices as well somehow.
Balance passes are always welcome too... but since the arrival of Engineers balance in this game has gone totally out the window. [haha] Deal with what we’ve got without crying is my ultimate point.
I'd love to see the re-balancing if for no other reason then the major firestorm that would erupt on these forums
I'd love to see the re-balancing if for no other reason then the major firestorm that would erupt on these forums
I thought I saw you at the Forum Griefers Club weekly meeting. [haha]
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That's not a fact, that's a biased personal assessment, based on what I cannot guess.
Gimbals and turrets have benefits that anyone, even someone with utterly flawless aim, can leverage to their advantage. Pretending that these advantages don't exist, don't matter, or that those that leverage them also means they cannot aim, is flatly ignorant. Non-fixed mounts on at least some weapons are mandatory if you want weapons with very different projectile velocities to converge. Being able to fire a significant deviation from where the ship is pointing is an enormous asset when it comes to delivering damage while staying evasive. Different mounts also change other weapon properties which can be an asset in and of themselves....for example, I like emissive, corrosive, and dispersal turrets because the lower RoF of turrets extends their endurance, and these effects are completely independent of damage (and I do not use turrets to deal damage, I have fixed weapons for that).
Anyway, I always recommend starting with fixed weapons (and think the switch from fixed lasers to gimbals as the default on the starting Sidewinder has done a huge disservice to players), then after they've been mastered, transitioning to auto-aiming ones, where they are appropriate, so that they aren't being used as an aiming crutch. However, limiting one's self to only fixed weapons, when something else would provide a tangible advantage, doesn't make one a better pilot or more likely to win; it's just a preference and an irrational one at that.
In the end, my CMDR fights to survive or to win, not to demonstrate his skills. As a player, other's assessments of my abilities, beyond those criticisms I can use to improve my play, are neither here nor there.
AP Birdman
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I'm going to respectfully disagree with you Morbad
Its actually an absurd that someone who got into PVP barely for just few months trashtalk like this. What, you tryin be like algomatic or something? (lol)
Too bad for you, but far as I am aware, gimballs are seems as viable for majority of PVP players. I mean there, by those who are around for some time and being atleast somewhat skilled. Certainly its not consider as "noob" loadouts by most of them. There is small fraction who are similar minded like u, but at most, they are nothing special themselfs, and mostly, they got into PVP not for too long. Just like you there.
"im hot shiz, cuz I am not using gimballs and anyone who does is a noob"
Most of veteran PVPers, me included, consider such view like that as a sign of ingorance and lack of real experience. Maybe in next year or two, you will realize that.
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AP Birdman
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Rofl!!! Got into PvP a few months ago? Do you know me or something? Lol what a foolish assumption. Whatever scrub.
If you're on Xbox let's go a couple rounds. You can see first hand how long I've been doing PvP. Lol what a joke.
Easy now.... seems I got u upset a bit, but that only proves my point... Do I know you? A bit, just from these forums..
Xbox eh? Too bad, but I am at PC here. That would explain why I never seen you at open.
Lemme explain myself: Where from I got idea that you "Got into PvP a few months ago"
You aint joined these forums for too long, combat rank quite low, its safe to assume that you aint playing for not too long, maybe a year or so, certainly not before enginners. I mean, by doing PVP, whatever u did before that, all your PVE things, matters not. Just a half year ago, u been asking "where to find PVP", and if you would be doing PVP on regular basis for longer that this, you would be not lookin for advice like that at that time. On top of that, you sayin "gimballs = no-skill" wich is nothing else than arogance and ingorance of those who are quite new for PVP.
o7 cmdr, yes I think I know you. You were in our faction for a while and touched pvp around 3-4month ago. And basicly got ripped into pieces... So I'm not sure what you trying to say here, thought you are better then that, but if you need that, go on... Btw. you speech is saying alot, changed from respectfully to offended, Elpapo just hit a nerf...
This thread almost perfectly illustrates the underlying problems within the PvP community; too much talky talky and cat-fighting. For whatever it's worth I've had plenty of fun running into Fly and his boys ingame repeatedly trying to gank me, and I've even run into Mister Hellfire when I was being a major Richard at several CG's. Hellfire, wasn't that you the one time I had like 100+ million bounty in my Gunship and smartio had knocked out my FSD and he and about five other guys spent like twenty minutes chasing me and whittling me down? I think you offered to help me out of pity or something if memory serves lolol. Good sports all and lots of fun. Rise above the noise, fellas.
I use mostly all fixed weapons for PvP and don’t see a problem with gimbals.
Fixed weapons have advantages over gimballed if people want to take the time to learn how, but its not good to push fixed supremacy.
If fixed was the only way to PvP, I wouldn’t have to use chaff. Most mediums only have 4 utilities. Everyone would be using the same meta and not exploiting weaknesses as they do now, which limits the diversity and tactics of PvP.
Fixed weapons have advantages over gimballed if people want to take the time to learn how, but its not good to push fixed supremacy.
If fixed was the only way to PvP, I wouldn’t have to use chaff. Most mediums only have 4 utilities. Everyone would be using the same meta and not exploiting weaknesses as they do now, which limits the diversity and tactics of PvP.
Thread is not about fixed vs gimballed guns.
Take it to a thread about the subject. Thanks.
Take it to a thread about the subject. Thanks.
AP Birdman
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Typical response from you eule and yeah I joined you guys 6 months ago and that was my first time doing pvp and everyone helped me with my builds accept for you because you have a nasty and poor attitude. I actually left IED because of you eule and there also quite a few people I know who left because of you as well.you should watch your mouth because IED is falling apart because of your nasty attitude. If you think you're so tough let's 1v1 sometime. I'll show you what I've learned from DRTY Co.
Yep, I've come quite a long ways in 6 months. And I'm not saying I'm the best at pvp I just have a problem with these guys from the code thinking they're hot crap and talking a bunch of shiz when they're using FDLs with all gimballed multis, that's all.
Hellfire created this thread expressing the joy he and his crew had in the pvp leagues and the code comes in here like a bunch of tools attempting to "call out" Hellfire when it turns out they had everything in their favor and were using all gimballed multis. Good for them for winning but they won in the most unskilled way possible then acted let like a bunch of losers about it. Their attitude makes me sick and all I'm trying to do is call them out on it.
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AP Birdman
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I'm sorry Hellfire, I didn't mean to hijack your thread. I'm done
See that's the thing. You have me all wrong. I'm not the least bit 'triggered' or 'butthurt' over kicking your as $. Why would I be?
To the victor go the spoils, and the glory.
All I did was reassert it after you thought you were going to get away with telling lies about 'why' you lost.
It seemed to have had the desired effect.
We will not be giving you a rematch other than to send you to rebuy in game.
See that's the other thing about winning, we WON, we don't owe you a damned thing.
Also, again, the Ice or Rocks wouldn't have helped you, because your team spent half their time letting themselves be pulled into open space, and even when you were maneuvering around the rocks, we were right on your tail hitting you with rails the entire time.
I mean, we won the first round by me giving Xious a rail to the face after a turn/joust.
The only reason I haven't posted the videos to the public yet (I have, they are just unlisted) is because we are still in the league and I don't want to have our potential future opponents analyzing them.
Sorry you lost to a better team and can't admit that. That kinda sucks, for you. Anyway, See ya next year!
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