Patch Notes Fleet Carriers Update - Patch 4 Patch Notes

Absolutely right.
Math behind this is very simple.
You can mine 250t Painite per hour in any bigger ship that can handle 4 mining lasers
and sell it at 980k/t what gives you yield worth
245.000.000 per hour

for 245mil you can buy about 6.200t Tritium at 39k/t.

We have to add time for selling Painite and buying Tritium of course.

You need about 12 minutes per batch.
Last time I had to sell in 230t batches to avoid price drop:
(some intervals are larger then 12 minutes, because I was wasting time on some forum probably)


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6 x 232t of Painite, at 215k per batch (average from table) is 1.290 billion worth - you can mine in in 5 hours.
I will count 6.
plus one hour for selling

For that you can buy 1.290.000.000 / 39.000 = 33.000 ton of Tritium.

Then you buy Tritium. Type 9 can handle 752t at once:
Interval is the same - 10 minutes minimal, let's assume 12.

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Well, we can't fit 33.000 Tritium in any FC, so we have to assume we buy half now, half later. FCs have modules that take capacity anyway.
This brings us to 6/2 = 3 hours of mining Painite, and 30 minutes to sell it. Plus jumping, we round it to 4h.

The worst part is buying Tri : 3h painite mining is worth
645 milions
645 / 33 mil per 752t Tritium, batch = 19
We round to 20.
20 rounds x 12 minutes = 240 min = 4h

All in all we have 4+3 = 7h of gameplay to get 16.500t of fuel for FC.

If we had tried to mine it, it would take : 16.500t / 200t/h /current SSD mining hourly yield = 82,5 hours.

7h vs 82.5h

Better choice is obvious.
And now Fdev will see this and nerf it like everything else :-(
 
Carrier owners who don't want to mine will need to develop other strategies to deal with the inescapable fact that there are no Rocket Tea Filling Stations floating around in the black, or at least not many. One change that could be made (though given FDev's recent track record I hesitate to advocate any significant changes) is to allow Supply limits to be set on commodities Cmdrs trade from carriers, so we can offer help to those running on fumes without having to put our entire stock of tritium up for sale. That was my original plan, but Frontier has made it too risky.
I am not fan of mining but I may enjoy it in small doses (I loved lasermining tritium in beta1 when traveling to colonia).
I would find it quit acceptable if :
  • Medium yield when laser mining (for guys like me)
  • Large yield when SSD or Core mining
  • Huge yield when combining the 3 mining techniques.

This certainly would motivate me to get from laser to SSD or Core at some point, but at least I would have a choice to do it, at my own pace.
 
And now Fdev will see this and nerf it like everything else :-(
Yes.
They definitely have to dig through all this thrash and yelling here, to find out about this.

Not like ED is sending our logs constantly, and FD can analyze them automatically, to find players who's credits are raising exceptionaly fast, and check what activities were logged before that.

Not at all.
 
I am not fan of mining but I may enjoy it in small doses (I loved lasermining tritium in beta1 when traveling to colonia).
I would find it quit acceptable if :
  • Medium yield when laser mining (for guys like me)
  • Large yield when SSD or Core mining
  • Huge yield when combining the 3 mining techniques.

This certainly would motivate me to get from laser to SSD or Core at some point, but at least I would have a choice to do it, at my own pace.
I can swear I wrote something like that a few days ago.
But I don't feel like digging through this thread to find this.
Experiencing it once it traumatizing enough, no need for replays. ;)
 
Yes.
They definitely have to dig through all this thrash and yelling here, to find out about this.

Not like ED is sending our logs constantly, and FD can analyze them automatically, to find players who's credits are raising exceptionaly fast, and check what activities were logged before that.

Not at all.
My reply to you wasn't a dig to you...it was a dig to them :ROFLMAO::LOL:
 
I am not fan of mining but I may enjoy it in small doses (I loved lasermining tritium in beta1 when traveling to colonia).
I would find it quit acceptable if :
  • Medium yield when laser mining (for guys like me)
  • Large yield when SSD or Core mining
  • Huge yield when combining the 3 mining techniques.

This certainly would motivate me to get from laser to SSD or Core at some point, but at least I would have a choice to do it, at my own pace.

I'm pretty much in the same boat. I would absolutely hate to fill the whole cargo store with Tritium with mining alone. I'm even too lazy to move with a full tank. That's why I created my low fuel conduct (max 2 full jumps, ~ 145t for my current services per jump or roughly 300t). It usually works like this: One 'blind' jump of ~500Ly, then I grab my DBX and explore/scout forward in a range of the next 500Ly. Once I found a new Tritium source, I order my carrier, wait the 15 minutes, dock and switch to a miner. Rinse and repeat.

And now please, before we all end up in an endless loop of arguing again: Yes, this is definitely slow and in no way competitive to classic exploration. Which it never was meant to be.

If I would want to start from a far point in the galaxy, I would seriously consider to purchase the Tritium before and burn it in several jumps in a row. But that's another topic and not my cup of tea. Possible Tritium shortage in stations is also not on my radar and another topic as well.

But the constant change from mining to exploration and back again in relative short frequencies is definitely my thing. 😁
 
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My reply to you wasn't a dig to you...it was a dig to them :ROFLMAO::LOL:
There is absolutely nothing wrong

HERE

in mistaking trolling for seriously declared.... "not very bright idea" to say it lightly.

I would say it's inevitable after you get used to usual level of content :)
 
I can swear I wrote something like that a few days ago.
But I don't feel like digging through this thread to find this.
Experiencing it once it traumatizing enough, no need for replays. ;)
I may have missed it, and if it is the case, then we both agree on that point.

EDIT: Confirmed, I missed it, and I completely agree with your post on that.
 
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I can swear I wrote something like that a few days ago.
But I don't feel like digging through this thread to find this.
Experiencing it once it traumatizing enough, no need for replays. ;)
BTW - I wonder if fast rotating asteroids (an annoyance when SSD mining) give more fragments per charge / can stand more charges before depleting).

I am not sure about the first variable, but there is very large span of diversity in second one.

There are deposits that disappear after 3 charges and there are some that allow you to mine to the point where there are no more blue fields on minigame strip.

I wasn't looking for a pattern there yet.
 
In my experience rotation does not seem to matter. Just the other day I had a "dream rock" with 3 tritium SSD veins, rotated at about 1 rev per week ;) i.e., essentially stationary. One of the veins was very weak, only three blue bars worth then poof, it was gone. The other two proved much stronger, lasting until the very last two bars, and thus quite productive. There was also some intrinsic Rocket Tea @ 15% or so. Good rock, that one.
 
My probably best SSD/Core combo.
AND I HAD NO SESMIC LAUNCHER.
I was mining Tri there.

After this I unequipped lasers from my Krait and equipped reserve SSL and SeismicL instead.

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This is how my Tri/LTD overlaps testing began.
This overlap was probably the best I mined in. I think I will go back there to "close the loop" ;)
 
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The irony: AFAIR I probably wrote it hoping to make some already angry at me folk truly mad.
(Classic trick when facing verbal aggression online - to incite the other side to the point where they lose their s**t and leave or write progressively dumber things because of emotional overload)

But even with cool head I still like this idea.

It's... just.
I have never been angry at you, In was just somehow annoyed to read you pushing for a solution that may not be acceptable for everyone.
Actually your solution (SSD only tritium mining in non-tritium hotspots) is a GOOD one, as long as you acknowledge that this bug is acceptable, which I don't :)

EDIT: By bug I mean tritium mining in non-tritium hotspots, if FDEV say that SSD only tritium mining is not a bug, then, fine by me, I'll buy it.
 
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In my experience rotation does not seem to matter. Just the other day I had a "dream rock" with 3 tritium SSD veins, rotated at about 1 rev per week ;) i.e., essentially stationary. One of the veins was very weak, only three blue bars worth then poof, it was gone. The other two proved much stronger, lasting until the very last two bars, and thus quite productive. There was also some intrinsic Rocket Tea @ 15% or so. Good rock, that one.

SSD mining on rotating rocks is more fun in a small boat (CMK4 is my favorite), but is absolutely feasible even in a Cutter. Rotating rocks are mainly a limpet killer, but in a boat with a large cargo hold and enough limpets this is largely negligible.

It certainly helps if you are used to flying in FA Off. However, I have already seen a video of one of you doing it with Assist ON (iirc in a Krait MkII), so it works too. But after flying in FA Off for so long now, I've completely unlearnt this ability and can't even imagine how it works. 🥴
 
(...) as long as you acknowledge that this bug is acceptable, which I don't.
It wasn't about you.
I have no problem with people having other opinions - but if someone begins discussion with an aggressive rant...
I see no problem to allow myself some "shadenfreude" by toying with them.

And I don't think this bug is "acceptable".

It was more "I am doing fine, bug is not really bothering me".
Probably after some other bizarre-aggressive reaction to SSD solution.

People were ignoring the "emergency" part when I wrote about SSD mining as an emergency solution allowing to mine more Tri then with lasers.

Doesn't matter now, I hope it's melody of the past.
 
SSD mining on rotating rocks is more fun in a small boat (CMK4 is my favorite), but is absolutely feasible even in a Cutter. Rotating rocks are mainly a limpet killer, but in a boat with a large cargo hold and enough limpets this is largely negligible.

It certainly helps if you are used to flying in FA Off. However, I have already seen a video of one of you doing it with Assist ON (iirc in a Krait MkII), so it works too. But after flying in FA Off for so long now, I've completely unlearnt this ability and can't even imagine how it works. 🥴
It was me.
And it was only partially with FA ON.
I use a lot of vertical thrusters under POV cross under thumb on hotas.
And I did some PC magic - when I use verticals, my FA goes OFF as long as I keep thruster working.

(optional, I have mutliple profiles on Joy2key app)

And turns back on when I release thruster button.
This effectively allows to have FA-OFF vertical agility AND FA-ON stability ;)

PS: oh, in combat I do the opposite - I fly FA off, and have some button allowing me to turn FA-ON for a moment, when I have problems aiming precisely (usually long range weapons on agile, "jittery" ship.
 
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Now, when
peasants
seem to avoid this thread, I think I can safely admit, that I paradoxically really liked those 3 weeks of "broken" game.

I like when things go "hard way" FOR SOME TIME, and environment is full of surprises, solutions that seem to have no sense turn out to be better then doing things "by the book".

But I absolutely want it to be temporary.

When things go back to "normal", everything seems to be so easy.

And I am not referring to ED only, I recommend this attitude IRL.
Treat problems that you have to solve as a "training ground" allowing you to gain new skills or boost them. Or test your limits.

As long as there are no fatal and permanent consequences of failure, it is only a lesson to learn too.

PS. I recommend Paypal for sending me $ for Life Coaching sessions.

PS. to mods - it's a joke, no need to remove this ;)
 
Cheers guys, I just came here for the popcorn.

Now I’m really, REALLY, fat!
You're welcome.

I am not suggesting anything, but in the big picture I think that we deserve a fat reward from FD (ARX will do).
We effectively redirected most of anger of all people who joined the thread to complain and yell about FD incompetence to ourselves.
In the end those poor, struggling souls have forgotten who were they mad at first, they were leaving with US imprinted as the last target of their hate.
;)
 
Now, when
peasants
seem to avoid this thread, I think I can safely admit, that I paradoxically really liked those 3 weeks of "broken" game.

I like when things go "hard way" FOR SOME TIME, and environment is full of surprises, solutions that seem to have no sense turn out to be better then doing things "by the book".

But I absolutely want it to be temporary.

When things go back to "normal", everything seems to be so easy.

And I am not referring to ED only, I recommend this attitude IRL.
Treat problems that you have to solve as a "training ground" allowing you to gain new skills or boost them. Or test your limits.

As long as there are no fatal and permanent consequences of failure, it is only a lesson to learn too.

PS. I recommend Paypal for sending me $ for Life Coaching sessions.

PS. to mods - it's a joke, no need to remove this ;)
I thought you'd unsubscribed to this thread :D
 
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