Frontier add EDDB to the game

[CMDR Flamadiddle]

Well 20 days of gameplay is not that much. I have almost a year of gameplay.

Here the thing. Instead of glancing at an item and looking at third-party websites. Maybe click on the Item and read about the areas you might get that item. And it will tell you. It gives you more gameplay. Instead of Exiting the game and using third-party sites.

Yeah I've seen the "Produced by 'x type outpost'", "Consumed by 'y type base'". Not impressed at all. In this future my ships communication array should be able to connect to multiple different system's economies and be able to search and reference whatever I'm in need of or wanting to sell as well as be sure the quantities I need. All of this remotely. I should even have the option of having it delivered to me if I'm willing to pay. It's 3304, is it not? What happened to amazon?

Yet, I'm forced to filter the galaxy map and hope for the best. Usually getting lucky in one out of four tries. Such a waist of time. It's even worse with the rare stuff needed for community goals, can't click on those unless you've found one.

 

[elkiller]

Well 20 days of gameplay is not that much. I have almost a year of gameplay.

Here the thing. Instead of glancing at an item and looking at third-party websites. Maybe click on the Item and read about the areas you might get that item. And it will tell you. It gives you more gameplay. Instead of Exiting the game and using third-party sites.

have you considered that not everybody has the time to sink in hours in the game and want to play without figuring out what might be selling on what system? the third party tools could be considered one of the pillars that support elite. Just think about it; what would a normal player would rather do? jump to a system that might have the module/ship/commodity that you looking for or a site that tells you where to find the stuff to go get it. even IRL trading what goods are provided can be found on the internet; you are telling me that in the future this is not available? im sorry but excusing poor in-game mechanics is not going to help the game to grow.

 

[V'larr]

Let see Manual, Newcomers forums game tutorials. Nothing about third-party websites.

Both of which are still out-of game. Which was my point that you directly quoted when you said this.

Thing is with what Frontier gave me I never had to use third party websites. All the info was right in front of me. I think people today instead of reading the Manual or tutorials Newcomers forums. They worship Third party websites. Those players lose a lot of info.

Are you trying to sell something, or what? The info is not "all right in front of you", otherwise the third party sites would not exist. It's not worship, it's making use of a functional tool that works.

Thing is a lot of players go it ruins their gameplay. It not needed and I agree with them.

I've never seen no heard of anybody's experience in Elite affected negatively thanks to third-party tools. Ever. And I know it's never happened, because there's no possible way it could. These tools enhance the game and serve purely to add function that it lacks. There's no tangible way it could have a negative effect.

Now the blue name. V'larr you started it

Way to ignore the point again, bub. If you spin any harder you'll start a local weather phenomenon

So let blame the players that made the third party websites. Don't blame Frontier.

Dude, what? Did you read what said just now before typing it? What nonsense is this? Third party players don't make the game, Frontier does. It's not third-party people at fault for what the game lacks. You're starting to really get on my nerves.

 

[elkiller]

Both of which are still out-of game. Which was my point that you directly quoted when you said this.



Are you trying to sell something, or what? The info is not "all right in front of you", otherwise the third party sites would not exist. It's not worship, it's making use of a functional tool that works.



I've never seen no heard of anybody's experience in Elite affected negatively thanks to third-party tools. Ever. And I know it's never happened, because there's no possible way it could. These tools enhance the game and serve purely to add function that it lacks. There's no tangible way it could have a negative effect.



Way to ignore the point again, bub. If you spin any harder you'll start a local weather phenomenon



Dude, what? Did you read what said just now before typing it? What nonsense is this? Third party players don't make the game, Frontier does. It's not third-party people at fault for what the game lacks. You're starting to really get on my nerves.

due trust me this guy Lestat is a big Elite Beluga that spends all the time in the S&FR forum complaining at the first post that wants to add something significant. But never i seen this guy add anything of value; he like the game as it is even tho bolts are falling out of the machine and he doesn't want anybody to fix it. If you engage in conversation with him and he finds himself trapped on an argument he will try to shift the topic in another direction like he tried to do to you.

EDDB and Inara are as good as they are because there are written by the players for the players and not the developers of a listed company.

If it wasn't for 3rd party software and modders most sims would be dead in the water.

well said

rep +++++

 

[Spectralfx]

@Ozric

Dear person ( assuming gender can be problematic).

I have read your reply but will not bother with your arguments, as they do not in any way, shape or form address the issues underlined in my statements. They are mostly either Cherry picking or semantic based.

If you believe that the current state of the game is acceptable, then please leave the conversation as your statements aren't based in facts, but are rather simple opinions.

Thank you.

-Common sense.

***Edit***: The one about mats you made, I don't consider trading useless mats for other useless mats to be that useful. If I could sell them for the actual currency of the game (Cr) rather than having them sitting in my inventory forever once I have engineered whatever I needed to... I wouldn't say that

 

[Ozric]

You brought that up, not me.

I mean, good for you, but multiple people in multiple venues all saying the same sort of thing and using the same terminology to do so is pretty telling.

It's a shame a lot of the rest of your post is just moving off into how you don't like the game, so we may as well just move on, because there's arguing with someone who thinks the whole game is a grind. Why on Earth do you play a game that you think of like that, genuinely baffles me.

If nobody used the tools in EVE I doubt those tools would exist....

Third party talent is nifty and hip and all but it's still not a good game plan to *rely* on that for functionality that is SO important to your game that it's treated as part-and-parcel with playing the game for most people. That's a big glowing neon sign that the game is missing something.

I see plenty MMO games that consistently and constantly update themselves with QOL additions, tools, tips & info, and so on, based upon what people are adding via third-party mods & extensions. That's one of the few areas that Wargaming got things right, and it's something Blizzard does as well.

Alas, EvE added depth of its in game tools over many years, generally in response to calls for them to be made more like the scores of websites and apps available. Some parts of them are now (caveat this was 3 years ago when I stopped playing, after too many years ) almost as good as the best regarded 3rd party sites. You can't base your arguments on a game relying on 3rd party sites, when it's clearly not true for everyone, which means it cannot be definitely true. I am in no way saying that the game cannot and should not be improved in this regard. I've been trying to get them improved since release and spent the majority of 3.0 Beta testing the new additions to try and make them robust... Well I mean, I tried.

I completely agree about MMOs consistently updating themselves, every single one of them does it, including Elite. Unless you are completely blind, or ignorant, you would be crazy to assert otherwise, but because Frontier did not add in all knowing and all seeing tools into the game from the start, they will never catch up to or more importantly take people away from using sites they've been using for years. Sad but true

@Ozric

Dear person ( assuming gender can be problematic).

It's true, but I'm a man just so you know.

If you believe that the current state of the game is acceptable, then please leave the conversation as your statements aren't based in facts, but are rather simple opinions.

And yet your statements are based in fact and are not opinions..?

Spoiler

https://youtu.be/FopyRHHlt3M

***Edit***: The one about mats you made, I don't consider trading useless mats for other useless mats to be that useful.

You are defining something you don't want as useless, disregarding that it may be useful for other people. I mean that's dangerously close to being an opinion rather than a fact.

Thank you.

No worries.

 

[[Diplomacy] Carnegie]

I think is about time that Elite made its own EDDB, I'm really surprised that they haven't add it yet. why they haven't done this at this point is beyond me.

EDDB encompasses a lot of functionality these days.

Things it has that I think would be fine in-game:
Faction information

Things that I think would be problematic in-game, depending on the implementation:
Commodity information
Trade routes
Outfitting

Things that I think should definitely NOT be in game:
Systems
Stations
Stellar bodies

The fundamental reason for this categorization is that EDDB contains everything that EVERYONE (who reports data to EDDB) knows about the Galaxy. Players should, only know about what THEY have discovered, or what is 'publicly' available - by which I mean that if you haven't visited a system and it isn't one of those that everyone gets data on 'for free', then you SHOULDN'T know anything about it. There are existing mechanisms for purchasing system information and market/commodity data (unless this get changed in the Trade Data update) to allow that information to be obtained in advance and these should remain.

Now if the in-game implementation is limited to systems you've visited or purchased information on, then I'd generally be okay with it. Making the current state of the whole Bubble (inc Colonia) instantly available is something I really DON'T want to see added to ED.

 

[V'larr]

It's a shame a lot of the rest of your post is just moving off into how you don't like the game, so we may as well just move on, because there's arguing with someone who thinks the whole game is a grind. Why on Earth do you play a game that you think of like that, genuinely baffles me.

If you don't like discussing & critiquing the game, why on earth do you spend time arguing about it on the forums? Genuinely baffling, that. :^)

Alas, EvE added depth of its in game tools over many years, generally in response to calls for them to be made more like the scores of websites and apps available. Some parts of them are now (caveat this was 3 years ago when I stopped playing, after too many years ) almost as good as the best regarded 3rd party sites. You can't base your arguments on a game relying on 3rd party sites, when it's clearly not true for everyone, which means it cannot be definitely true. I am in no way saying that the game cannot and should not be improved in this regard. I've been trying to get them improved since release and spent the majority of 3.0 Beta testing the new additions to try and make them robust... Well I mean, I tried.

Then what are we arguing about, here?

I completely agree about MMOs consistently updating themselves, every single one of them does it, including Elite. Unless you are completely blind, or ignorant, you would be crazy to assert otherwise, but because Frontier did not add in all knowing and all seeing tools into the game from the start, they will never catch up to or more importantly take people away from using sites they've been using for years. Sad but true

I never denied that Elite's had QOL improvements, many of which mimic things that were being done by third party stuff. In fact I'd rather argue that the QOL improvements in the past 3 years have been the most significant updates the game has had.

Which is both a commentary on the updates as a whole, and also is why I want to see more of these changes - hence, supporting the idea that EDDB or something close its functionality be implemented in-game.

They can very easily contact the people running these third party tools and seek their advice or guidance. I'm in a discord where these third party authors & the game developers directly interact already, so it's more than 'just possible'.

p.s. Being blind or ignorant doesn't enter into anything here really, now does it?

You are defining something you don't want as useless, disregarding that it may be useful for other people. I mean that's dangerously close to being an opinion rather than a fact.

It's useful on a technicality. It would be far more useful for those needless variants to not exist to begin with, blueprints to be simplified as a result, and material/data trading to in turn also become simpler and easier (and perhaps less punishing on side-grade transactions).

 

[SirMaxxx]

While I agree in principal - this does take away (for me) from the realism of the game. Surely in a realistic universe a simple Google search would reveal all this sort of information? Is it unrealistic for me to be able to search for stations who are buying a commodity at a higher price than the one I'm at?
Good in-game tools that attract an (in-game) cost would (I think) be the way to improve the situation.