Frontier - Enough Shoulder Shrugging - Get Tough on Exploits and Exploiters.

[Red Anders]

I sincerely hope that in 'identifying the accounts concerned' they've been able to fully cross-check that players did actually use the exploit and haven't simply looked at accounts that spammed loads of grade one mods, for no other reason that like many players I've done that to get rep back from 3 to 5 with Todd and a few others after spending rep for special effects, as well as doing it to initially gain rep up to grade 3 or 4 with a few other engineers. The last thing the game needs now is players getting high grade engineered mods stripped off them in error, it would be a PR disaster.

 

[piy]

A better solution. Wipe the saves of offenders, not ban them. The caveat? Blacklist their accounts so they are denied docking privileges at engineering bases.

They can play, but they can kiss goodbye to their ill-gotten gains.

I think this would be the best for Frontier to say enough is enough.

Haha! I agree. much better and fits the crime. +1

just the wipe tho. lol....aslong as the exploits are fixed there should be no problem.....oh......erm.......conder in a day.......damn

 

[Deleted member 110222]

Haha! I agree. much better and fits the crime. +1

just the wipe tho. lol....aslong as the exploits are fixed there should be no problem.....oh......erm.......conder in a day.......damn

Why not blacklist them? I don't think the offenders deserve access to engineering. Not after this.

 

[piy]

I sincerely hope that in 'identifying the accounts concerned' they've been able to fully cross-check that players did actually use the exploit and haven't simply looked at accounts that spammed loads of grade one mods, for no other reason that like many players I've done that to get rep back from 3 to 5 with Todd and a few others after spending rep for special effects, as well as doing it to initially gain rep up to grade 3 or 4 with a few other engineers. The last thing the game needs now is players getting high grade engineered mods stripped off them in error, it would be a PR disaster.

true. iv done this also to get my ranks back up to 5 after "buying" an affect.

 

[piy]

problem there is thay have payed for it. if that was an option the only thing to do it delete the account.

keeps not adding the posts I'm replying to sorry. stupid phone (or user)

 

[Deleted member 110222]

problem there is thay have payed for it. if that was an option the only thing to do it delete the account.

They also broke the ToS, and the EULA means Frontier is legally entitled to blocking access.

"Paying for the game" gets you no rights as a consumer. The game is property of FD, not the players.

 

[Heavenly-Hammer]

I sincerely hope that in 'identifying the accounts concerned' they've been able to fully cross-check that players did actually use the exploit and haven't simply looked at accounts that spammed loads of grade one mods, for no other reason that like many players I've done that to get rep back from 3 to 5 with Todd and a few others after spending rep for special effects, as well as doing it to initially gain rep up to grade 3 or 4 with a few other engineers. The last thing the game needs now is players getting high grade engineered mods stripped off them in error, it would be a PR disaster.

FDev isn't , Anders. Maybe a bit slow at times, but not actually stupid.

 

[bitstorm]

Haha! I agree. much better and fits the crime. +1

just the wipe tho. lol....aslong as the exploits are fixed there should be no problem.....oh......erm.......conder in a day.......damn

See that's like robbing some money and the punishment is, you have the cash you stole taken off you.

What kind of disincentive is that?

If that's all that happens then sod it I'll go pinch more moneys!

I doubt anyone will be perma-banned over this alone, shadow-bans maybe.

Shadow ban is where you're essentially limited to solo mode, and nothing you do can affect the background simulation. People sometimes get shadow banned for a period of time, can still play the game but interaction with others is curtailed.

 

[Deleted member 110222]

See that's like robbing some money and the punishment is, you have the cash you stole taken off you.

What kind of disincentive is that?

If that's all that happens then sod it I'll go pinch more moneys!

I doubt anyone will be perma-banned over this alone, shadow-bans maybe.

Shadow ban is where you are essentially in solo mode, and nothing you do can affect the background simulation. People sometimes get shadow banned for a period of time. People can still play the game but your interaction with others is curtailed.

If you read my post, I suggested a permanent block for offenders, so they can't access engineering again through denial of landing at bases.

 

[RagingxPenguin]

It's a strawman argument.

credits and rank gained in solo to buy a Cutter will affect nothing.

a Cutter that you cheat engineer and use it to kill players will negatively affect players and is a bannable action (and should be).

Affecting a BGS can take place in any mode, by anyone, in any ship, so it's not a fair argument.

WHAT. CAN'T BE SERIOUS.

YES grind credits does and will affect things.
Fighting someone in PvP who has billions at their disposal while you have a paltry rebuy or two?
GUESS WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT DYING.
Feeling vindictive?
No worrys. They allow credit exploits so you can go unleash your angsty pent up rage in the starter systems in a top teir ship

Wanna tank a systems influence via black market? Welp. Better go do the easy money grind for that Cutter and you CAN ALSO TANK SYSTEM INFLUENCES FOR FUN!




Some exploiting engineer rolls is no more serious than any of the othet exploits currently in game.
They merely gained a small edge in PvP. This would only effect the PvP community as if they zero in on a low tier pilot in a half built ship they're gonna die REGARDLESS of engineering rolls

 

[NW3]

Oh for goodness sake, you know what I meant, don't be pedantic.

Rep++ for word of the day.

 

[Red Anders]

FDev isn't , Anders. Maybe a bit slow at times, but not actually stupid.

Aye, that's exactly what I thought until last time I saw it happen in a game To be fair though, that game was in fact developed by people who would fit your description.

Seriously though, although I'm trying to not say specifically what the exploit was for obvious reasons, I was only wondering about how transparent it would be from the logs, not least because of how long it's been around for. I mean they don;t seem to have been aware of it until today, so what, a year? Assuming they have in fact cross-referenced it etc, fair pay to them for cracking on with it as quickly as they have once it was highlighted.

 

[BDelacroix]

If players get to decide what is an exploit, then there will soon be 1 player left.

Not everything that someone says is an exploit is.

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[Vorxian]

WHAT. CAN'T BE SERIOUS.

YES grind credits does and will affect things.
Fighting someone in PvP who has billions at their disposal while you have a paltry rebuy or two?
GUESS WHO DOESN'T CARE ABOUT DYING.
Feeling vindictive?
No worrys. They allow credit exploits so you can go unleash your angsty pent up rage in the starter systems in a top teir ship

Wanna tank a systems influence via black market? Welp. Better go do the easy money grind for that Cutter and you CAN ALSO TANK SYSTEM INFLUENCES FOR FUN!




Some exploiting engineer rolls is no more serious than any of the othet exploits currently in game.
They merely gained a small edge in PvP. This would only effect the PvP community as if they zero in on a low tier pilot in a half built ship they're gonna die REGARDLESS of engineering rolls

Nope I stand by my comment.

I have some cash to throw at Cutters in OPEN.. and I tell you now throwing Cutters at OPEN for me, is like throwing bread to the ducks. I cannot PvP to save my life, I'm disinclined to waste cash doing that. Me? I explore in my ASP, I trade in a shieldless Cutter.. Why would I go to a starter system to kill newbies? Why would I want fines and bounties on my head? Never could be with any BGS, especially tanking stuff. Even if I did, why would one person be able to do anything? One person is as insignificant as a raindrop in the Pacific. The only time BGS would get affected is if Mobius had a point to prove, and 30,000 players in cutters decide to jump into the action.

Skill is one thing.. giving yourself god like engineered weapons.. that's breaking PvP like a combat log. It directly affects someone.

 

[Ian Skippy]

"Legitimate players?"

"I'm a legitimate player because I play my way, you're not a legitimate player because you don't play my way".

I wish, oh how I wish, ED had an offline-only mode.

No, one is a legit player because he doesnt cheat or use exploits, the other isn't because he does. And if you dont like dealing with other people, you have Solo. Offline has nothing to do with any of this.

 

[Plaxinov]

pvp "community" once again showing how much they care about this game for having allowed one iota of it.

classy as typical

just wretched

 

[Gunnet]

Aye, that's exactly what I thought until last time I saw it happen in a game To be fair though, that game was in fact developed by people who would fit your description.

Seriously though, although I'm trying to not say specifically what the exploit was for obvious reasons, I was only wondering about how transparent it would be from the logs, not least because of how long it's been around for. I mean they don;t seem to have been aware of it until today, so what, a year? Assuming they have in fact cross-referenced it etc, fair pay to them for cracking on with it as quickly as they have once it was highlighted.

You could very reliably identify it from the journals the client creates locally. I would be surprised if their server side logging was less detailed, except potentially to exclude utter trivialities like NPC taunts and such.

 

[RagingxPenguin]

Nope I stand by my comment.

I have some cash to throw at Cutters in OPEN.. and I tell you now throwing Cutters at OPEN for me, is like throwing bread to the ducks. I cannot PvP to save my life, I'm disinclined to waste cash doing that. Me? I explore in my ASP, I trade in a shieldless Cutter... Why would I go to a starter system to kill newbies? Why would I want fines and bounties on my head? Never could be with any BGS, especially tanking stuff. Even if I did, why would one person be able to do anything? One person is as insignificant as a raindrop in the Pacific. The only time BGS would get affected is if Mobius had a point to prove, and 30,000 players in cutters decide to jump into the action.

Skill is one thing.. giving yourself god like engineered weapons.. that's breaking PvP like a combat log. It directly affects someone.

Would seem you are one of the ones that would die regardless of who attacked you..

 

[Arvel Yael]

No, one is a legit player because he doesnt cheat or use exploits, the other isn't because he does. And if you dont like dealing with other people, you have Solo. Offline has nothing to do with any of this.

Being able to run the game locally without connection to a central server for anything more than infrequent content updates would take the wind out of the sails of the "You're affecting my BGS, I hate you I hate you I hate youuuu!" crowd if nothing else.

 

[Kaocraft]

If you see something that obviously flies in the face of reason and any plausible intent on the part of FDev, and then you use it to your advantage, you are a cheater.

I know this comes across as pithy, but: that's the entire game. It's an incoherent mess. A pile of half-measures, placeholders, stopgaps and kludges piled on top of one another. Most aspects of how the game functions are nonsensical and fly in the face of reason, even when "working as intended". It's ALL the dev's fault, always. It's their game. They made it. They made the rules. It's their job to ensure that it works the way it's supposed to.