While you have a point, a bit of self-reflection is needed.
The laws of physics don't prevent me from pilfering the bank in Monopoly, but I don't do it.
Why not? Because it's not playing the game.
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While you have a point, a bit of self-reflection is needed.
The laws of physics don't prevent me from pilfering the bank in Monopoly, but I don't do it.
Why not? Because it's not playing the game.
Bonus. Never really had cause to look at the logs in any detail.
I probably am!
Couldn't help myself
Monopoly doesn't require grinding the starting cash, it doesn't make you grind reputation to buy Mayfair, it doesn't require material costs to move your character, and it doesn't make you grind to king to let you pick up a community chest lol..
If it did, I'd either change the rules myself to something more fun, or I'd raid the bank
I know what you meant though
Part of this thread has me wondering .......... :S
I land in the base, look at the mission board (when it actually works) and see 5 or 6 data delivery missions. I take them all on.
I see e few collection missions. My cargo hold can take that. I check to see where to get the collectables. Ok. Away I go.
Get interdicted a few times. Forget to collect all the bounties. Deliver the data and pick up the collectables. Get back, deliver the goods ............
Is that mission stacking? And what is wrong with doing that, from a trader's point of view?
Are there missions that should not be stacked? And what are they?
I land in the base, look at the mission board (when it actually works) and see 5 or 6 data delivery missions. I take them all on.
I see e few collection missions. My cargo hold can take that. I check to see where to get the collectables. Ok. Away I go.
Get interdicted a few times. Forget to collect all the bounties. Deliver the data and pick up the collectables. Get back, deliver the goods ............
Is that mission stacking? And what is wrong with doing that, from a trader's point of view?
Are there missions that should not be stacked? And what are they?
I think there should be a CMDR Dirty Harry who will take care of these exploiters with his .44 Magnum like a real man instead of these FD wimps who are too soft to crack down on the creeps who ruin our game world. The time to just talk is over, it's time for action because it's five minutes to midnight people! We, as players, as gamers, cannot stand for the damage these exploiters do to the intergrity of the game world, and with it, the Elite Dangerous community in general. Exploiters will run this show with their cutters and elite rankings they obviously do not deserve, and our universe will be worth less for it. Soon the galaxy will be full of drug dealers and baby killers and Charles Bronson is long dead so there will be no friends of him who wind up dead and give him a death wish.
Dammit, what has come of this galaxy!
Dammit, what has come of this galaxy!
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Monopoly also has a clear set of rules. The ED rulebook exists only in the minds of the devs. Their definition of logic and reason rarely meshes with the definition accepted by the rest of the world, as is evidenced by many aspects of the game (multi-crew is filled with such examples).
If Fdev is going to start threatening to ban players who paid the money for this game, they'd better start posting lists of what they consider exploits (as well as excuses as to why they've never gotten around to fixing them), and doing so somewhere where the ENTIRE player-base can see it, not just here in the forums. Make an in-game announcement or send out emails like responsible game-makers do.
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Lol ! Source please because in the design plan there was meant to be multiple open modes to have the switches to create the rules that upset you so. The giant PGs are just doing their best to deliver this. You know this already
If you are seriously saying pg is bigger exploit than eng cheat I fear you are hiding something. Worried are we
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Right but the *rules* of monopoly do prevent you from pilfering the bank. And if you play a computer version of monopoly,
where the rules are enforced by the game itself, then it shouldn't even be physically possible for you to pilfer the bank without hacking the game. If you're able to pilfer the bank in a video game version of Monopoly; then either this is by design, or the developers screwed up.
So it goes with Elite.
Ive read some rubbish on this forum but this takes the crown for now.
OP dont give a two bob bit about it if ppl want to skip to the end thier only cheating themselves.
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Strange, because the people who play in the Mobius groups are quite happy and not salty about it. While there are some players who don't play in it that seem to be well... rather salty.
One has to wonder where the real problem lies.
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Depending on the severity of how much they cheated (e.g once or many times), if I was Frontier, I would do one or more of the following (not in any particular order):
Edit: Changed my mind and removed "Permanent Ban" as people should always be able to play, albeit in Shadow Mode if needed.
- Reset their save.
- Place them in the Shadow Mode (1 month to infinite depending on the severity).
- Replace their modded modules with un-modded modules (if they are out exploring, move them back to the bubble and remove the un-sold explored data).
- Put them on the Thargoid/Alien KOS List.
Edit: Changed my mind and removed "Permanent Ban" as people should always be able to play, albeit in Shadow Mode if needed.
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Absolutely nothing wrong with what you wrote. Mission stacking was addressed by Fdev (to the extent it was) and you can pile as many missions as the system allows.
He said one or more. So there are options there. But permaban? No way. Totally over the top.
A statement of intent != doing something.
Has something been done about this ? What was done ? How extensive was the problem ?
Basic questions to help alleviate the problem of lost player confidence (more so based on your handling of the combat loggers and adhering to your own policies)
Legally, that is not true. People trot out the EULA as if it's the main thing. It's not. It's the Consumer Credit Act.
Paying for the game gives you rights as a consumer. FD are a British company operating in Cambridge, therefore they are subject to British law. However, to my knowledge this legally has never been tested.
There have always been exploiters of games, and always will. FD should quit the scare tactics and the 'shaking of a stick', as quite frankly its record in policing its game over the years has been incredibly poor, and will most likely continue to remain so (how long did those using cheat programs get away with it for?) Instead, they should just concentrate on fixing their game.
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Indeed it might (I am not an armchair lawyer to know otherwise) but that doesn't mean that the rest of the rule-adhering-non-cheating player base should have to put up with those miscreants who think they are above it all .. drop them in Shadowban, permanently, and stop middle-fingering the good guys !
That post was made at about 1730 UK local time. They probably weren't ready to release anything substantial by the end of the day but knew that they needed to make a statement.
The UK work day is starting again as we speak. It will be interesting to see if there are any updates.