Frontier have anointed chosen ones again...

I wouldn't say subjective, the feedback is pretty consistent but dependent on how new and what content players are doing. Broadly it seems that new players who haven't gotten to deep, or players who do certain gameplay types genuinely won't experience what causes alot of complaints. More advanced players doing specific content are the ones who start to notice the cracks. Make of that what you will.

The feedback isn't consistent at all, everyone and his uncle has a list of demands from sensible to unrealistic. For every open only proponent you've got a PVE only proponent and even someone like me who says "pick whichever mode you feel like and don't sweat other people choices".

Familiarity breeds contempt. If you you play a game a lot you notice more, that doesn't make the game bad it increases your experience of it and the chances you've got a bit bored through grind if that's your thing.

What underlies alot of it though is an unspoken human assumption that generally, people doing something will try to do the best they can in the given context. I think people just assume that trying to do a good job is a valid thing to assert. Its possibility naive, but at the same time its better to have that attitude than not try at all. Which is subjective sure :) Its more about people unwittingly projecting that belief than demanding changes for themselves.

I think the fact you assume they haven't marks you as being unrealistic, you don't know their internal policies limits of the engine or current hardware any more than I do.

If they were not working on improving the game there'd be no expansions patches or DLC.

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Talking of unrealistic.

That would only work if they played the game that they're building
 
That would only work if they played the game that they're building, or building a game for their own personal enjoyment.

Can't be "just a job" and "ignoring the community" at the same time, that just would just lead to random, leftfield and half baked features.
Why do you suggest they don't 'play' the game they design - such a tired trope here....

You, as well as I, know that the 'community' here couldn't even agree on what day it is... and like so many other 'communities' should be left to wallow in their own biowaste... (that includes me too, I'm not anyone special).
 
I'd love to be an influencer and do ED themed podcasts.

"Hi there slaves and meat, and welcome to my hold"

"Salve Imperial scum, and welcome to your nightmares"

"This broadcast was sponsored by Kumo Burger"
I laughed out loud at your proposed opening line, you should start using that to open your forum posts.
But I'll upvote any imperial scum comments with frag cannon's!
 
The feedback isn't consistent at all, everyone and his uncle has a list of demands from sensible to unrealistic. For every open only proponent you've got a PVE only proponent and even someone like me who says "pick whichever mode you feel like and don't sweat other people choices".

Those problems just need someone to make a decision and communicate it. If they did an old school dav stott stream defining how the current state is and why, there's a huge chunk of those that would go away because there would be basis to accept the decision whatever it is. That's a no rope issue though. Think about every issue that was explained with reason. Maybe some brief regression but its gone. Ship transfer for an easy example. Its finished. Think about every issue the community holds open. Has that happened?


I think the fact you assume they haven't marks you as being unrealistic, you don't know their internal policies limits of the engine or current hardware any more than I do.

Yeah and we don't have to. As a customer, its our job to experience a working product (that we pay for etc etc etc), not try and rationalise excuses for why it isn't like that.
 
Judging from this cmdr they've been given a welcome pack.
It's only marketing from FD and is aimed at prospective buyers rather than current players, so good luck to them.
(They'll need it if the new player experience is not what they've been lead to expect!)
I was horrified, and mildly envious, when I seen this... A frickin streamdeck? Razor earbuds? As freebies? Seriously? #NotABribe?
Does anyone actually believe they are neutral though? Unless valid critique is also given, you're going to assume something distasteful about their relationship with a vendor.

Yeah something odd is that culture where they go on live and just talk to their chat, where the audience asks really obvious daft and common sense questions that surely must be there to increase the likelyhood of their name getting read out, then the content creator talks about the common denominator issue, reads out the persons name, and has waits for money to be thrown at him/her. These are really strange if you think about it. If there are people new to the content, those events are pretty good marketing im sure.
Wow, no way, i was talking in jest, i wasn't expecting that they would seriously get a few hundred dollars of free hardware (that id probably purchase in a heart beat but will never be able to).

Well, that's nice i guess.

Yeah will be interesting to see how many people admit to getting that pretty epic bribe. Im using this huge mechanical keyboard, and it no way fits between by hotas. Could really use one of those stream decks :p

Also, that there is proof of chosen ones. QED.

Yeah, like we can totally expect unbiased and wholly impartial reviews now....
 
You, as well as I, know that the 'community' here couldn't even agree on what day it is... and like so many other 'communities' should be left to wallow in their own biowaste... (that includes me too, I'm not anyone special).

See the thing is, i genuinely disagree. I think we as community are completely clear.

How about this, any post that produces a wall of text (or bullet points) specifically about a topic is feedback. Anything else is just dd, and doesn't strictly count if its not obvious. Most of the direct forum content related specifically to the game makes complete sense, to me at least.

Also sometimes, a decision has to be made on a topic which could land either way. That's not for us to make, but at the same time 1) Its not for us to assume that either way will be implemented (or both at the same time IF ITS NOT POSSIBLE) 2) Frontier needs to make the decision over doing nothing for the issue to go away. 3) Most importantly, people aren't wrong for stating their point of view.
 
Yeah, i think it speaks strongly about burr pitt, without him stating it, we wouldn't have known, and much respect for publicly displaying all the booty he got. Given how into elite many people are and the general lack of physical souvenirs, i'm more noting how quickly a merchandise bundle like that would sell out if it was offered to mere mortals.
Source: https://twitter.com/WKJezz3306/status/1295669798630838272
 
Those problems just need someone to make a decision and communicate it. If they did an old school dav stott stream defining how the current state is and why, there's a huge chunk of those that would go away because there would be basis to accept the decision whatever it is. That's a no rope issue though. Think about every issue that was explained with reason. Maybe some brief regression but its gone. Ship transfer for an easy example. Its finished. Think about every issue the community holds open. Has that happened?

What problems do you mean ?.

The modes are working exactly as intended as was communicated pre-launch. Ship transfer is something I set going just before logging off, can't see an issue there either. They made that decision after polling the players I can't even remember how I voted now.

Yeah and we don't have to. As a customer, its our job to experience a working product (that we pay for etc etc etc), not try and rationalise excuses for why it isn't like that.

I bought a product that sounded like it was suited to my personal gaming preferences after reading up on the specifics that can be issues for me and trying and liking the demo.

I still enjoy it now six years later, so it would seem I chose well.

As customers we should exercise our preferences at the pre-purchase stage.

The game works, never once had a game-breaking bug in six years. I can't say the same for anything Bethesda ever made, an hour is stretching things for them and yet I still buy, enjoy and recommend Bethesda's stuff.
 
Ok we're getting into the final phase of the thread with a back and forth between Stig and Karrde.

To save us time I'll post this....


Apparently its the topic every dev is talking about.

That should save us at least two pages.

Scroll down in the comments for vintage frontier forum comedy.
 
Do people actually listen to influencers or "anointed" ones? I actively avoid almost all of them on Youtube.
Do people actually listen to people who hate on content providers for no good reason? Some of these "influencers" provide a wonderful service to the community. Not all of them, mind you, but some (OA and Burr for example). Judge each according to their merits, not your own jealousy of anyone who has a Youtube channel. 🤷
 
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Just as a related aside, I was really surprised Stephen actually addressed my question on one of their streams about why they haven't asked Drew or other writers they've worked with in the past to help out with Galnet. My comment was along the lines of "Drew and others have gone on record to say they'd be happy to help out if you would just ask".

The answer was something like, "We're aware of the offer, but it's not just the writing that is the issue".

Can we leave the cult of Drew elsewhere please? We are all aware of the offer, it was on almost every single Lore Tour vid 'It doesnt have to be me' and in the final ones we got the details '25-30K a year', 'Doesnt have to be me', 'Have said many times would like to have a go at Raxxla', '80 GalNet articles', 'Doesnt have to be me', 'Would be nice to get paid for it though, gotta pay the bills'

Even without streaming once or one single Youtube video, Mobius was an influencer in Elite Dangerous.

I'm an adult, I can speak for myself and often do through the fdev player communication point, the forums. I dont need an influencer to speak for me whether I agree with them or not. I dont want an influencer to speak for me or at any time represent my views whether I agree with them or not. I will add my voice to any discussion I want to speak on. I dont feel the need to write an Open Letter or contact support every 5 minutes. I have been given a channel to express my views and I use it.

I do not think any person who promotes themselves or content is by definition 'neutral'. They are offering an opinion, filtering what they present, unconscious bias, what the audience wants. That is not a criticism, I am not neutral either, this entire post is a reflection of my point of view.

I do not expect favourable treatment, I do not expect personal service, I expect fdev to work with marketeers to promote their products, I dont have to like the fact that they may use influencers who I totally disagree with or think are spoiled brats moaning when all they do is talk on a video, I think content creators create stories and content and some people just read or summarise or talk or criticise or act infuriated on camera. I think the forums were abuzz with the 'flaws' in the beta a few hours before OA video based partly on these forum feedback and OA's own experience in the beta, not criticising OA just saying it was here on the forum first, then theres always a rush for the first person to get a video out. The forum is the first point of call for many people for feedback and for updates or news.

It riles me that the appearance/perception is that the forums are forgotten and all the voices actually listened to are a few people who talk on camera often negatively about the game and not constructively. I dont like preferential treatment (Cobra mk iv type things excepted). I dont like being kept in the dark while the more special people who I have no interest in whatsoever and wont watch get given the inside scoop and the forum gets ignored, is often the last to know.

I gave @Stephen Benedetti a heads up yesterday on the content creator thread that this issue had caused a lot of salt. I almost pointed to this thread and one day later here we are....
 
It's actually a good example of what I am talking about here. Let's take THE Mobius as an example, he started on this forum making signature images for us because he just got Photoshop and wanted to learn how to use it. He did some amazing images, and inspired me to learn image editing as well (I don't have the money for Photoshop though, so use GIMP).

Because of this, when we started playing Elite Dangerous, he created a private group, that frankly, a lot of people joined. Then it became this behemoth of a private group that whenever they had problems, they talked to Frontier and gave Frontier vital feedback on how to manage player groups.

Even without streaming once or one single Youtube video, Mobius was an influencer in Elite Dangerous.

You don't have to stream or do Youtube .... so as I said, why do YOU (not you specifically Rubbernuke, that's a "You" as a generalisation) deserve anything?
FD can pay whoever they want with what ever they want as far as I am concerned (so long as it's legal) however on the flip side any person who is talking about ED and what they think of it imo owe it to their viewers to let them know they have been paid/rewarded by FD for their streams.
This does NOT invalidate everything they say but I just think punters should know.
 
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