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Frontier, if you need more beta testers then make beta free
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usury noun
the action or practice of lending money at unreasonably high rates of interest.
It would help your argument if you knew the meaning of the words you are using, especially when you are chastising somebody for not understanding your point of view in the post.
You are right. In my language we use colloquially that word to mean abusive monetary behavior. But yes, you are right and that is not what I had in mind. Just a looser sense of the word. But it doesn't change the argument at all. It was just a misunderstanding. And on the last bit, I an open to change when proven wrong, as I am doing right now.
It would also be nice to see you objecting the overall argument rather than just a peripheral detail.
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usury could be a euphemism for an extortionate price associated with such an important basic concept as a beta test.
If anything, FDEV should be paying for beta testing players
When was the last time Lockheed was paid so that a pilot could test the limits of their new X-xyz plane?
One recent job ad posted on the website of the Society of Experimental Test Pilots, based in Lancaster, Calif., show an FAA test pilot salary can range from $95,000 to $147,000 depending on experience. But salary depends on the job and the pilot's experience, says the SETP.
Would have been interesting to see a test pilot give Lockheed $150k for the privilege of testing their new aircraft
If anything, FDEV should be paying for beta testing players
When was the last time Lockheed was paid so that a pilot could test the limits of their new X-xyz plane?
One recent job ad posted on the website of the Society of Experimental Test Pilots, based in Lancaster, Calif., show an FAA test pilot salary can range from $95,000 to $147,000 depending on experience. But salary depends on the job and the pilot's experience, says the SETP.
Would have been interesting to see a test pilot give Lockheed $150k for the privilege of testing their new aircraft
Plenty would pay it, but probably not qualified test pilots.Would have been interesting to see a test pilot give Lockheed $150k for the privilege of testing their new aircraft
usury could be a euphemism for an extortionate price associated with such an important basic concept as a beta test.
If anything, FDEV should be paying for beta testing players
When was the last time Lockheed was paid so that a pilot could test the limits of their new X-xyz plane?
One recent job ad posted on the website of the Society of Experimental Test Pilots, based in Lancaster, Calif., show an FAA test pilot salary can range from $95,000 to $147,000 depending on experience. But salary depends on the job and the pilot's experience, says the SETP.
Would have been interesting to see a test pilot give Lockheed $150k for the privilege of testing their new aircraft
People demanded beta access, which initially only backers had, so FD decided to offer it up for sale. Don't see how it can be called abusive monetary behaviour. They were responding to what their customers were asking for. We just seem to have a trend on this forum of people demanding that FD stop making money. Am just waiting for the 'Make season 3 free to play' thread to come.
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If you are right, then you don't need to make a strawman argument. It is abusive in the sense of charging for something that is usually free or paid work. All this under the context of having a game that is riddled with bugs, and a development pace that take several months to actually throw in updates to fix only a fraction of those all the while introducing several new ones.
FD are pure amateurs when it comes to making money from early access.
The going rate for getting alpha access to the KickStarter Pine is ... well have a look yourself.
Pine - An action adventure game that adapts to you
The going rate for getting alpha access to the KickStarter Pine is ... well have a look yourself.
Pine - An action adventure game that adapts to you
Uh, you get stickers too.
Wow. 12 pages already. Man, I wish my FAS/FDS cockpit thread moved like this. If a dev actually posts in here I think I might facepalm so hard that you'll be able to hear it from space
Thank you to those that recognised that the thread is about the marketing tactic email, whether you agreed with it or not. We got debates about the beta being paid as well which I feel is fine because it's a part of the conversation about FD's approach to what they choose to market and what they choose to simply inform their community about via the newsletter. Clearly FD are of the opinion that early beta is something to be actively marketed as a product to the playerbase rather than simply informing us via the newsletter that the early beta is available.
And that's what I find objectionable - the aggressive marketing tactic of "We need you to give us feedback so come on down to the paid beta. Don't walk, run!" vs the simply informing the playerbase approach of, "Early beta access is now available once more in the store. Feel free to purchase it if you wish."
There's a distinct difference between the two approaches and a certain image of the company that accompanies each. Sure, they're a business and some people are of the opinion that if you have something/anything you can get away charging for you should peddle it like the local crack dealer for all it's worth. But it is the context that matters to me, always.
Marketing your premium cosmetics and the next Season pass/Expansion as well as advertising upcoming features is great, that's how every business is run. Marketing a part of your own beta process like it's a service you offer to the player is tasteless and needless in my opinion. Better to casually inform players via the newsletter/a tweet/forum sticky that early beta access is available if you wish to purchase/partake. That is just my opinion on the matter.
Thank you to those that recognised that the thread is about the marketing tactic email, whether you agreed with it or not. We got debates about the beta being paid as well which I feel is fine because it's a part of the conversation about FD's approach to what they choose to market and what they choose to simply inform their community about via the newsletter. Clearly FD are of the opinion that early beta is something to be actively marketed as a product to the playerbase rather than simply informing us via the newsletter that the early beta is available.
And that's what I find objectionable - the aggressive marketing tactic of "We need you to give us feedback so come on down to the paid beta. Don't walk, run!" vs the simply informing the playerbase approach of, "Early beta access is now available once more in the store. Feel free to purchase it if you wish."
There's a distinct difference between the two approaches and a certain image of the company that accompanies each. Sure, they're a business and some people are of the opinion that if you have something/anything you can get away charging for you should peddle it like the local crack dealer for all it's worth. But it is the context that matters to me, always.
Marketing your premium cosmetics and the next Season pass/Expansion as well as advertising upcoming features is great, that's how every business is run. Marketing a part of your own beta process like it's a service you offer to the player is tasteless and needless in my opinion. Better to casually inform players via the newsletter/a tweet/forum sticky that early beta access is available if you wish to purchase/partake. That is just my opinion on the matter.
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How's that seven year old pint of milk doing?
I agree on the marketing from the newsletter sub, it would be better to have two separate unsubscribes. Adding ads into the newsletter will just have more posts here about 'I want a newsletter, this is ads'.
Wow, another "give us this for free" thread. Never seen one of those before . . .
I think the wording of email is a little odd..It's not really an "upgrade" is it?. It's like they are trying to sell beta features that are buggy and need testing as the completed product...which will be "free" for most any way. There is also a serious lack of "warning this is a beta, there will be bugs and problems" in the email. Also no message saying ; "Content created and commander progress gained will be lost once release occurs".
Reading that email I would assume that I can now create my commander in the beta and keep it. But that is not the case is it? You will have to recreate your commander when the beta is over and the release is official?
They do actually mention this when you follow the link. But I still think the main email advert is too flashy....just give the facts...don't tempt people and then have them go "oh..its not what I thought" when they click in and read the fine print.
To me it has that same sort of slightly dubious method of promoting ED that you see in the trailers etc.
Reading that email I would assume that I can now create my commander in the beta and keep it. But that is not the case is it? You will have to recreate your commander when the beta is over and the release is official?
They do actually mention this when you follow the link. But I still think the main email advert is too flashy....just give the facts...don't tempt people and then have them go "oh..its not what I thought" when they click in and read the fine print.
To me it has that same sort of slightly dubious method of promoting ED that you see in the trailers etc.
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Alright, it doesn't hurt to read past the title. The thread is about a marketing email. :/
No, is not one of those.
I'm not sure that is true. There have been a lot of issues reported.
While there may be no statistics, you can see how many bugs are reported (in the appropriate forum) and you can also see how many have been fixed (in the change logs FD posts). It's hard to say how many bugs were missed, but in general, the missed bugs won't be "bad", since those are generally the ones that have a major impact on most/all players. Missed bugs does not include reported issues which are hard to fix, like the SRV scanner bug.
Back to the original topic: While some may feel that receiving email re a paid beta is poor form, to me, it is not as annoying as some of the emails I get from other companies. At least there are relatively few emails. Some companies spam me with more than 2 emails per day.
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Its now cheese....I LOVE CHEESE
After 7 years, it's not cheese anymore, it's a weapon of mass olfactory disaster.
About beta free access, on the principle, I fully agree it should be free. However, once a paid access has already been set up, if you decide to change the model and make it free, you either have to refund those who paid for the beta or really upset part of your customers, either way it seems like an even worse move than staying on course with the paid access model, questionable as it is.
And you're not seeing one here. Please read the OP
Well said (emphasis in bold mine as I specifically agree with that part).
Trailers-wise I think it's only slightly dubious in some of the promo teasers/trailers imo, not all the trailers. Most of the recent trailers are quite good.
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