Frontier. Please make a PVE mode to this game.

[Xender]

Two different universes PVE and PVP without modes like open/sole would be great solution.

 

[excalibus]

That might be suggested, Derp, but it would be an inaccurate assumption on your part, so I'm going to weigh in the topic anyhow if you don't mind

Would the last half dozen or posters who were triggered by my comment please chime in with a bit of info regarding what mode they prefer to play in? Be honest, please

Well I play in open, and that would be 99.99% of the time, I play 99% of the time as PVE only and the other 1% of the time where I do expect PVP to be thrust upon me is when I participate in community goals... I go into community goals EXPECTING the encounter PVP play... I can handle that, but not everyone can deal with that... Hence, why, even though having an open PVE ONLY mode would not change what mode I particulatly play in, I can see the benefits of it for a fair number of other players...

 

[Heavenly-Hammer]

That might be suggested, Derp, but it would be an inaccurate assumption on your part, so I'm going to weigh in the topic anyhow if you don't mind

Would the last half dozen or posters who were triggered by my comment please chime in with a bit of info regarding what mode they prefer to play in? Be honest, please

I mean the game needs more risk not less; but again, it needs smart risk. Right now risk isn't smart because there's no meaningful punishment system for crime (or combat logging).

People don't build big houses in areas with no police protection or patroling in crime infested areas, you know?

With proper crime & punishment, perhaps people will be less likely to spend their time in care bear modes.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

This is my first post ever, bored at work. I play purely open. I don't understand what you would do in an open pve mode, have never understood the point of mobius either. There is nothing in this game that requires more than one player to accomplish. You can kill nearly any npc save capital ships in one of the cheapest ships in the game (viper mk3). You can avoid combat in open through various methods, all it requires is a moderate effort. If this game were pve only it would be a small step above those mindless "clicker" flash games my 6yr old plays. He sits there simply clicking on "cookies" or some and brags to me about how high is credit balance is.

The lack of meaning in pvp, along with the mode switching is what makes this game garbage. If all players were forced into open with defined hisec space and concord-like response people would adapt. Pve players could have there safety and pvp players could dominate the fringes. And give us a reason to kill other players while you are at it. Drops of cargo or modules would be pretty cool. And maybe let us control areas of space. Maybe we could sell the space rocks to other players and they can craft ships and modules with them. Of course this can't happen now because the of the whining it would create since people would feel that they were losing something. The whole "this is not Eve with cockpits" was a monumentally bad idea. There are a ton of working concepts in that game, which, if applied here would make for a larger, happier playerbase. As soon as someone makes that game, I will be begging them to take my money.

I do fear that this cry for open pve may actually bring something about and that would be really bad. You would transform an already shallow experience into a total snoozefest. I mean, if you are playing a game while watching netflix on your 2nd monitor, are you really playing? And don't act like you can't do that in anything but the hardest content (solo in a cz with a small ship)

So you don't understand that people who are not you like different things than you do. Not only that, but you equate those things with a flash game your 6 yo plays. It's always so constructive to ridicule things you don't understand. Perhaps instead of ridiculing you could look to gain understanding?

Then you counter with your wish that all players should be in the mode where your preferred playing style is possible. "And PvP players would dominate the fringes", "Control areas of space". Is that a motivator I read? Is it your wish to be dominant and dictate other people's behaviour? And of course having the things in the game you like would make for a happier player base. Sure, because we already established you're unable to grasp other people like different things than you do.

Don't worry Geirdriful, there are others that share a similar viewpoint to yours. Personally, I can't understand why anybody drinks non-alcoholic beer, either. Or play a game on the easiest setting.

When you post on this forum, keep in mind that it's basically just the advertising department for Mobius and adjust your expectations accordingly.

Posts like these are indeed splendid advertising for Mobius.

But I'd like to address the aspiring PvPer, this sentiment is not common amongst PvPers. Just a couple of recurring posters in this forum. Most PvPers I met in game are much more open minded than that

 

[excalibus]

With proper crime & punishment, perhaps people will be less likely to spend their time in care bear modes.

A decent crime and punishment system definitely needs to be in place across all modes of play... what is this care bare mode you talk of? I thought there was only Solo, Group, Open and Arena on the login screen....

 

[jasonbarron]

Feel free, I won't suggest you can't or shouldn't, but since we're discussing the merits of the topic, your unwillingness to consider those merits valid is worth pointing out.

Personally I bounce between solo and private group for varois reasons. Open i continue to avoid for lack of skill and not having a single engineered ship assuring that any hostile encounters go poorly.

I've got nearly two years of considering different opinions in this game, and almost 45 years of considering other people's opinions outside of it, so I'm fairly confident I understand how differing opinions work.

With that said: I'm guessing all the people I was asking which mode(s) they prefer to play in are going to be very similar to the information you just shared with me, which just goes to prove the (somewhat acerbic) point I was making concerning this forum.

I personally believe we've already got the game watered down to the point of mediocrity due to the various modes, and I fail to see how adding another will do anything beyond water the game down further.

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So you don't understand that people who are not you like different things than you do. Not only that, but you equate those things with a flash game your 6 yo plays. It's always so constructive to ridicule things you don't understand. Perhaps instead of ridiculing you could look to gain understanding?

Then you counter with your wish that all players should be in the mode where your preferred playing style is possible. "And PvP players would dominate the fringes", "Control areas of space". Is that a motivator I read? Is it your wish to be dominant and dictate other people's behaviour? And of course having the things in the game you like would make for a happier player base. Sure, because we already established you're unable to grasp other people like different things than you do.


Posts like these are indeed splendid advertising for Mobius.

But I'd like to address the aspiring PvPer, this sentiment is not common amongst PvPers. Just a couple of recurring posters in this forum. Most PvPers I met in game are much more open minded than that

Give it a rest Ziggy. The only reason you don't see more of it on the forum is because of the concentrated effort to gang pile them and run them off for voicing a differing opinion from the orthodox belief here that PvP=bad behavior. Don't even try for a second to act like you're somehow going to champion for the "aspiring PvPer." If that were true, I wouldn't be getting so much feedback from you.

 

[excalibus]

I've got nearly two years of considering different opinions in this game, and almost 45 years of considering other people's opinions outside of it, so I'm fairly confident I understand how differing opinions work.

With that said: I'm guessing all the people I was asking which mode(s) they prefer to play in are going to be very similar to the information you just shared with me, which just goes to prove the (somewhat acerbic) point I was making concerning this forum.

I personally believe we've already got the game watered down to the point of mediocrity due to the various modes, and I fail to see how adding another will do anything beyond water the game down further.

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Give it a rest Ziggy. The only reason you don't see more of it on the forum because of the concentrated effort to gang pile them and run them off for voicing a differing opinion from the orthodox belief here that PvP=bad behavior.

watered down in what way??? Less people playing in the current open mode? more players moving to groups like mobius to the point where they need to add a third mobius sub group? or those moving to solo because they prefer that to dealing with PvP play styles.

Over 45 years of age and still refuses to acknowlege the possibility of an open PVE mode actually de-fracturing the player base because to admit that might in some way make PVP seem less valid? PVP is a valid play style... Personally I like the added risk that the current OPEN mode brings, I can appreciate and respect the fact that there are a lot of people who do play who do not share the same feeling as me and would prefer an official PVE mode...

Heck nearly every other online MMO game I have played has exactly that, a dedicated PVE mode...

 

[jasonbarron]

watered down in what way??? Less people playing in the current open mode? more players moving to groups like mobius to the point where they need to add a third mobius sub group? or those moving to solo because they prefer that to dealing with PvP play styles.

Over 45 years of age and still refuses to acknowlege the possibility of an open PVE mode actually de-fracturing the player base because to admit that might in some way make PVP seem less valid? PVP is a valid play style... Personally I like the added risk that the current OPEN mode brings, I can appreciate and respect the fact that there are a lot of people who do play who do not share the same feeling as me and would prefer an official PVE mode...

Heck nearly every other online MMO game I have played has exactly that, a dedicated PVE mode...

Equating my comments that adding extra modes would water down the game further with being disrespectful of how other people play is an unfair characterization of my point. And if you don't see how adding an extra mode wouldnt water the playerbase down further, then I really don't know what to tell you, because giving people more modes to spread out in seems like the very definition to me.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Give it a rest Ziggy. The only reason you don't see more of it on the forum is because of the concentrated effort to gang pile them and run them off for voicing a differing opinion from the orthodox belief here that PvP=bad behavior.

Whether or not you're a PvPer or PvEer is inconsequential to me. I have made many posts arguing that the artificial PvE vs PvP divide is bonkers.

I react to opinions expressed by individuals, so don't try to hide behind the PvPers are persecuted on this forum victim card. Players who post rubbish are. Whether they be PvE or PvP. There's a thread going on about a Christmas offensive. I am ridiculing that notion as well.

Don't even try for a second to act like you're somehow going to champion for the "aspiring PvPer." If that were true, I wouldn't be getting so much feedback from you.

Why? Because you're a PvPer and I should therefor react likewise to all of you, because somehow that is the deciding factor in our discourse here? What a load of bollox.

There's plenty of PvPers I side with on these forums. Maybe the amount of feedback is caused because we disagree on many occasions.

Nah, it's because you're a PvPer, and I'm a PvEer and in your world that means I have to gang pile on you.


edit: Now if you allow me to quote the great Philosopher Brian Johnson: "For those about to get drunk, we salute you"

Happy New Year Jason.

 

[Space Dandy]

Equating my comments that adding extra modes would water down the game further with being disrespectful of how other people play is an unfair characterization of my point. And if you don't see how adding an extra mode wouldnt water the playerbase down further, then I really don't know what to tell you, because giving people more modes to spread out in seems like the very definition to me.

Have you considered that those that a pve open would target are already ridiculously watered down due to group mode limitation?

Have you considered the effect you speak of would in fact consolidate the already very fractured pvers that play in group into one bigger group rather than a bunch of smaller ones?

You seem to think that you guys can somehow through the magic of coding can force people to play with others they simply have no desire to play with.

Have you considered having an open pve ALONG with a the open we have now, lets call it open pvp, would not greatly impact open pvp because those that would flock to open pve already do not play in open for the most part?

It just somehow feels to me there lots of either fear mongering going on or just reasoning based in fear of how it "MAY" negatively impact your playstyle without looking at how it might not do that at all.

 

[Robert Maynard]

Equating my comments that adding extra modes would water down the game further with being disrespectful of how other people play is an unfair characterization of my point. And if you don't see how adding an extra mode wouldnt water the playerbase down further, then I really don't know what to tell you, because giving people more modes to spread out in seems like the very definition to me.

If an Open-PvE was offered and players chose to leave Open to play there, that would tend to suggest that there are players currently compromising their desire for no-PvP with the desire to play among an unlimited population - and in the latter regard, Open holds the only card.

Simply put if Open's population were to suffer, post Open-PvE implementation, it would be because some players didn't really want to play there in the first place (but chose to - until a better choice came along).

 

[House0fDerp]

I've got nearly two years of considering different opinions in this game, and almost 45 years of considering other people's opinions outside of it, so I'm fairly confident I understand how differing opinions work.

I'd argue understanding how they work and respecting them as opposed to viewing conflicting ones as wrong were 2 different things. You seem to be going out of your way to support that argument.

With that said: I'm guessing all the people I was asking which mode(s) they prefer to play in are going to be very similar to the information you just shared with me, which just goes to prove the (somewhat acerbic) point I was making concerning this forum.

Considering your "point" was more of an attempt to mass discredit opinions based on playstyle, furthered by your follow up question and remarks about the answers, I stand by what I've stared thus far.

I'll add to that you're actively validating the cries against the pvp crowd by advocating a right and proper way to play which only offers a one sided benefit to a particular group.

I personally believe we've already got the game watered down to the point of mediocrity due to the various modes, and I fail to see how adding another will do anything beyond water the game down further.

And you further that here. You're not trying to understand how or why a pve open helps pve centric players in ways wholly superior to solo or private group because it conflicts with your personal opinion on how you want to play and how you can force others to enrich your play regardless of their preferences.

 

[Ian Skippy]

The current beta is focused on the PVP players, boosting fixed weapons and nerfing gimbled and turrets.

*sigh*

Have you even played the beta?

 

[jasonbarron]

Whether or not you're a PvPer or PvEer is inconsequential to me. I have made many posts arguing that the artificial PvE vs PvP divide is bonkers.

I react to opinions expressed by individuals, so don't try to hide behind the PvPers are persecuted on this forum victim card. Players who post rubbish are. Whether they be PvE or PvP. There's a thread going on about a Christmas offensive. I am ridiculing that notion as well.


Why? Because you're a PvPer and I should therefor react likewise to all of you, because somehow that is the deciding factor in our discourse here? What a load of bollox.

There's plenty of PvPers I side with on these forums. Maybe the amount of feedback is caused because we disagree on many occasions.

Nah, it's because you're a PvPer, and I'm a PvEer and in your world that means I have to gang pile on you.


edit: Now if you allow me to quote the great Philosopher Brian Johnson: "For those about to get drunk, we salute you"

Happy New Year Jason.

I'm just taking a break to warm up my hands from helping the kids build a snowman, so I don't have time to properly reply to your points to me. But I would like to make a couple gentle suggestions: please don't take so much offense, alright? I actually agree with you on many topics, and always enjoy your brand of forum humor, so let's not get so snippy with each other. Also, please keep in mind that the way you're throwing around PvPer precludes the idea that there is no PvP without PvE. When it comes to the former, I've had to engage (continually) in the latter. And also, re: PvP, it's not what I "am," it's simply another discipline I've endeavored to learn.

Perhaps instead of buzzing me with the forum warplanes, you guys all should be trying to explain to me why Open PvE would be a good thing

And happy new year to you, too Ziggy. Even if you were being sarcastic, I can promise you that I am not

 

[Ian Skippy]

Perhaps instead of buzzing me with the forum warplanes, you guys all should be trying to explain to me why Open PvE would be a good thing

Really? Because people like to play with strangers without PvP. How on earth can that possibly be so hard for you to grasp? :S

 

[Robert Maynard]

Also, please keep in mind that the way you're throwing around PvPer precludes the idea that there is no PvP without PvE. When it comes to the former, I've had to engage (continually) in the latter. And also, re: PvP, it's not what I "am," it's simply another discipline I've endeavored to learn.

While there may be no PvP without a requirement to PvE - there's plenty of PvE without PvP, indeed that's the way that a lot of players seem to like it.

Boiled right down, it seems that PvP players need PvE players but the reciprocal cannot really be said to be the case.

 

[House0fDerp]

Perhaps instead of buzzing me with the forum warplanes, you guys all should be trying to explain to me why Open PvE would be a good thing

That's been done several times throughout the thread, but is simple enough to bear easy repeating:

It broadens the social options and opportunities for PvE centric players beyond the current limits of private groups and removes the burden for manual curation of members who might seek to abuse membership of those groups for easy targets.

 

[MarkAusten]

We get one of these threads about every three days. Why on earth don't you just merge them all into a single thread Hotel California style to save them crapping up the forum? I mean every single one of them has exactly the same players making exactly the same points, I must have read some of the posts in this thread over 200 times in the last year.

I think they've stopped doing that as it messes up the forum database.

But I could be wrong.

 

[jasonbarron]

Really? Because people like to play with strangers without PvP. How on earth can that possibly be so hard for you to grasp? :S

Well, some of you guys prove to be quite adept at the foum end of PvP, I'll give you that. I think I'll just leave with my original point intact: come to the officials when you want to talk to the Mobius advertising dept. No offense guys, it is what it is. Believe it or not, I do understand why you guys all like your different modes. Cheers, all--I have to get back to building a snowman

 

[Ian Skippy]

Well, some of you guys prove to be quite adept at the foum end of PvP, I'll give you that. I think I'll just leave with my original point intact: come to the officials when you want to talk to the Mobius advertising dept. No offense guys, it is what it is. Believe it or not, I do understand why you guys all like your different modes. Cheers, all--I have to get back to building a snowman

Man, I have no interest in Open PvE. To me Open, with all its freedom, is what the Elite universe has always been supposed to be. But others clearly disagree, and thats cool.

Anyway, good luck with the snowman. We've got the cold but lack the snow over here.