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This is the cooler. There's two side brackets that attach to the heatsink, to then attach to the board. I could not find the right 4 screws in the box, anywhere. None of them worked. None would fit the two brackets, although a set did fit the sink, but had to go through the bracket to get to the sink threads. There was no way.


After getting the "C" brackets mounted to the pump block, the "G" standoffs screw into the the backplate posts on the motherboard, then you set the pump/block on the CPU (after applying thermal paste), lining up the bracket holes with the threaded standoffs, and screw everything down with the "E" nuts.

WOW! I am currently in game and it's running perfectly! I don't understand how but it's right back to running perfectly! I even took a video, was going to show you how glitchy it, was, but ran 100% perfect. Check the video in a bit... sweet! I hope it stays this way!

Probably dislodged an obstruction while messing with the old cooler.
 

After getting the "C" brackets mounted to the pump block, the "G" standoffs screw into the the backplate posts on the motherboard, then you set the pump/block on the CPU (after applying thermal paste), lining up the bracket holes with the threaded standoffs, and screw everything down with the "E" nuts.



Probably dislodged an obstruction while messing with the old cooler.
This is the way it normally runs. As soon as I wake up a bit, will head back in and see if some miracle has occurred and it's still running like this. Maybe the heatsink needed time to get, hmm, I don't know... working, like you said an obstruction. Whatever, I just hope this keeps up. This is 3440x1440, everything on Ultra, SS 1.0, smaa, and Blur OFF. I don't have the fps counter going here but that was the good old 100+ fps I'm used to! I knew as soon as I checked that first UI panel and saw how quickly it "snapped", no jerk, no stutter, just fast and smooth. Going to get some coffee and see how it does this morning. This video can't do the "feeling" justice, but trust me, THIS is how the game normally runs 😁

 
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Thanks. It's a Hydro (water) Series H100i. I've had it since about 2015, so, probably just has come unseated or not circulating fully, thermal paste is all but gone or a dried cracked mess under the sink, probably. I just ordered a new Hydro cooler, plus paste. I am hoping this will resolve my issue and my PROC is not fried beyond repair. I mean, the computer is up and running, seems fine, other than ED but have not tried any other games. Think I will let it be until the new cooler is installed, before I push it. Thanks!

had the same this year, AIO was the problem. They last about 5 years and either have lost coolant or the azatec pump fails

cheers

tom
 
had the same this year, AIO was the problem. They last about 5 years and either have lost coolant or the azatec pump fails

cheers

tom
I bought this Corsair H100i back in 2013, according to Amazon. It must be dry, when I took it out last night, even seemed a little light to actually have any coolant in it, but I'll tell you... something is making it work right now, as I am back to normal fps in the game. Not a frame drop thus far. When I removed the cooler last night and replaced with fresh thermal compound, the game still was stuttering and dropping horrible fps, but out of nowhere it's now back to running solid! Either I have succeed in turning off Thermal Throttling, which doesn't seem to be an option in the real world, either in Windows or BIOS, as even though I have it turned off everywhere possible, still throttles last I looked, or, the cooler was stuck, clogged or just needed time to become one with the thermal compound :unsure: So, I've had this cooler nearly 8 years and still working. I would swap out to a regular cooler but this HAF X case I have has an issue where the mobo rear access to the cooler mounting plate doesn't align. It was a flaw in this case, should have been a recall, so in order to place any new cooler in this case I have to remove the mobo, which means everything. I just found a new H100i on e-bay, guy says he's had it stored and never used it. Brand new and still sealed, so I placed a bid on it. I still need to replace one of the 240mm fans on top of case, so I need to open it back up, maybe as well put in the new cooler, if I win it. I don't imagine my bid on it will be beat, I want that cooler, impossible to find!
 
I bought this Corsair H100i back in 2013, according to Amazon. It must be dry, when I took it out last night, even seemed a little light to actually have any coolant in it, but I'll tell you... something is making it work right now, as I am back to normal fps in the game. Not a frame drop thus far. When I removed the cooler last night and replaced with fresh thermal compound, the game still was stuttering and dropping horrible fps, but out of nowhere it's now back to running solid! Either I have succeed in turning off Thermal Throttling, which doesn't seem to be an option in the real world, either in Windows or BIOS, as even though I have it turned off everywhere possible, still throttles last I looked, or, the cooler was stuck, clogged or just needed time to become one with the thermal compound :unsure: So, I've had this cooler nearly 8 years and still working. I would swap out to a regular cooler but this HAF X case I have has an issue where the mobo rear access to the cooler mounting plate doesn't align. It was a flaw in this case, should have been a recall, so in order to place any new cooler in this case I have to remove the mobo, which means everything. I just found a new H100i on e-bay, guy says he's had it stored and never used it. Brand new and still sealed, so I placed a bid on it. I still need to replace one of the 240mm fans on top of case, so I need to open it back up, maybe as well put in the new cooler, if I win it. I don't imagine my bid on it will be beat, I want that cooler, impossible to find!
There are better alternatives to the Corsair hi100 and are available here in thUK at least. I would look at Arctic coolers now
 
Problem came back right after last server maintenance. Jerky, stutter, frame drops galore. However, it IS my computer. Core temps, at idle, hanging around high 80's and thermal throttling now AT idle!! Installed new cooler today and temps are back to normal! Thankfully, I found the EXACT cooler, UNOPENED, in over 6+ years! Some dude on eBay had one he never opened and it works like a charm. Haven't tried ED yet, giving the new cooler a break-in period, let that thermal goo get nice and even. I might have saved a kick azz computer that was built in 2015 and STILL plays any game on Ultra settings at 3440x1440. I built this computer to last, and thanks to dude's "new" cooler, it's going to last! Fingers crossed! Oh, and I owe a lot to the 1080Ti, in my opinion, one of the best cards ever made and the only new part added to this system in it's life, and that was well over 3 years ago!

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well, at least it's not invisible like those fancy 3080s ...
I do want to upgrade to the 3090 (Ti version) but that will be in the next build. I just looked up prices on Amazon for the 3090 and the least expensive one was $2500. I am actually used to paying that much, as I've probably paid about that much for every card since my, I think, 4870x2 back in 2008, onto the OG Titan and the 1080 Ti ran about that much. However, I think, much like credit balancing in ED (pff!), prices have come more inline with reality, when there's enough stock that is :cautious:
 
Glad you got it sorted, friend!

My old potato is dying, but I got 8 years out of it, and that's simply incredible in my opinion.

My main concern is not building a new box, it's all the fiddling involved in migrating all of the stuff to it. But after 8 years, it's time. Just waiting for the bonus check :)
 
Wow, back in ED like butter. In game, at Dav's Hope, doing some collecting and Core temps never got hotter than 32c. Frosty! :D And the Core load never hit any more than 35% on one Core, with everything max, blue off, bloom set to high since I am not a huge fan, and SS set to 1.0. Like the entire game was running off a single Core at .35%. Well, I guess most of the game is graphic's memory and my drives have 64GB of cache. They are in RAID-0 so I wonder if RAID combines your drive cache, so I actually have 128GB of drive cache? Anyone keeping up with this story or have we all had enough?

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Glad you got it sorted, friend!

My old potato is dying, but I got 8 years out of it, and that's simply incredible in my opinion.

My main concern is not building a new box, it's all the fiddling involved in migrating all of the stuff to it. But after 8 years, it's time. Just waiting for the bonus check :)
I hear you. It's time for me, just waiting on some stuff that's not out yet. 2TB M.2 Evo drives, 3090 Ti and a wider selection of PCIe 4.0. I put a little in the nest egg every week for my next computer build. I wish I had the patience and know-how to do a custom all water build, where I use a Bunsen Burner or whatever to do custom piping and all that. Just, nowhere to do that. I'd need a workshop!

Good luck! Building a new system is fun! Getting all those packages in the mail (especially now!) You got 8 years out if it! Congrats! As far as tech (hardware), the last decade has been pretty slow. I remember when I first got into computers, building them and all, was in '96 and every month they'd have a new processor, new RAM, new VooDoo card, something! And it was expensive back then! Keeping up was an expensive hobby, but they had SO MANY cool games to play like Hexen, Duke, Blood, Half-Life, Far Cry, ... and all these games of course needed the best hardware. I stay as far back in computer "generations" as games will allow me, first, and second... would be Blender or Maya performance and video editing and post-processing in like After Effects. That's where my computer is slipping, but still not too bad. It's hard to keep a good balance of game and non-game stuff on the same system, and use a gaming GPU at that. Ah, Third World problems I guess ;)
 
well, at least it's not invisible like those fancy 3080s ...

The 1080 Ti was just the right card at the right time, kinda like the R9 290X. Both were top of the line or nearly so far longer than they should have been because the generation that game after them was so lack luster.

I'm still trying to get a worthy replacement for my first and best 1080 Ti that is now 3.5 years old.

And the Core load never hit any more than 35% on one Core

ED is not a very CPU intensive game.

You could likely drop a 3090 right into your existing setup and still be completely GPU limited.

Well, I guess most of the game is graphic's memory and my drives have 64GB of cache. They are in RAID-0 so I wonder if RAID combines your drive cache, so I actually have 128GB of drive cache?

The physical cache on the drives is transparent to the RAID. Each drive should still get to use their full amount. However, all that cache does is buffer disk reads; it has no impact on game performance beyond retrieving assets/loading times.
 
The 1080 Ti was just the right card at the right time, kinda like the R9 290X. Both were top of the line or nearly so far longer than they should have been because the generation that game after them was so lack luster.

I'm still trying to get a worthy replacement for my first and best 1080 Ti that is now 3.5 years old.



ED is not a very CPU intensive game.

You could likely drop a 3090 right into your existing setup and still be completely GPU limited.



The physical cache on the drives is transparent to the RAID. Each drive should still get to use their full amount. However, all that cache does is buffer disk reads; it has no impact on game performance beyond retrieving assets/loading times.
It would seem to me that ED should be more CPU than GPU intensive. There's not a lot of stuff, effects processing, going on in Elite Dangerous. Graphically, it's pretty but it's not cutting edge stuff. There should be a lot more going on with BGS and thus CPU, but maybe that can be off-loaded to the GPU now. I am FAR from a computer scientist, or even a game programmer or any programmer beyond some basic Basic and Power Shell. Ha!
 
It would seem to me that ED should be more CPU than GPU intensive. There's not a lot of stuff, effects processing, going on in Elite Dangerous. Graphically, it's pretty but it's not cutting edge stuff. There should be a lot more going on with BGS and thus CPU, but maybe that can be off-loaded to the GPU now. I am FAR from a computer scientist, or even a game programmer or any programmer beyond some basic Basic and Power Shell. Ha!

I'm not a programmer or game developer, but I know a few things about hardware and I can make observations about what applications are doing with it.

Most CPU intensive games are either limited by one or more render threads that prepare batches of draw calls for the graphics driver; AI workloads; or physics. ED is evidently modestly well-threaded, but it's render threads are not particularly demanding, probably because of it's relatively modest graphics design. Likewise, it's AI and physics are pretty modest compared to many other titles. FDev also seems to have made sure that things are done in compute shaders, on the GPU, where practical.

Somewhat counter intuitively, ED is more demanding (note the power limit...my card allows me to set a cap at 150%of TDP, most games only reach around 100-120 at my normal OC, but ED averages about 125 and can spike past 140) on most GPUs than virtually any other title I've run (with exception of the equally counter intuitive Path of Exile, which, with global illumination enabled crashes into the power limit of many modern cards at astonishingly low clocks).

CPU demand is also largely fixed, but GPU load will scale with resolution and details. Even at low settings/resolutions ED tends to not be CPU limited until extreme frame rates on any quick processor. Cranking up the resolution just means that the GPU limited frame rate falls, and CPU utilization along with it, as the render threads have to wait for the GPU.

Someone in another thread expressed skepticism about ED really being so GPU limited, despite the GPU clearly being pegged at 99-100% load while the most demanding CPU thread never got above 50-60%. So, I did this test in the SRV training scenario, with my standard gameplay settings (4k resolution, custom ultra settings), at two different CPU speeds:

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I set my desktop res to 5k with DSR so I could fit a 4k window on screen with CPU-Z and GPU-Z. Then I fired up ED, started the SRV training scenario, and allowed it to fully load before taking a screenshot.

The first image is with the CPU at my 24/7 4.2GHz clock. The second image is with everything identical, except that I subtracted ten multipliers from the CPU core (making it 1000MHz slower).

That single FPS difference is misleading...average difference was significantly less, maybe 0.2 fps. from a ~23% reduction in CPU clock. Gameplay is totally indistinguishable at even lower CPU clocks.

As for the BGS, that's mostly a database, and one that isn't even run locally. Your game client just reports what it does and looks up the BGS state from Frontier's servers.
 
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