Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.

[Bigmaec]

The modes are a brilliant game design. Stroke of genius.

I reluctantly have to agree on that one, because making people have to fly in open when they just want space truck simulator (no offense meant honestly, it's just the way some people like to play) would've made a lot of people quit the game I guess, meaning less revenue and a less secure future.
I still have my dream of an open mode that's giving incentives like trade benefits or BGS boni, but I'm fully aware it's a pipe dream which propably never will be realized.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

FALSE, since frontier bans griefers in mobius.

Rest of your is just your opinion how you want to play game.

Am i wrong if ill compress it (answer for my question why adding open pve is bad) down to: "because i dont want other to play game in way other than what i see open"

Or to put it in less passive-aggresive way: Your vision is cool and romantic but, It will not hurt you if others will enjoy game in their own way!
Ooooooor gorankar was right?

FALSE, since frontier bans griefers in mobius.

Rest of your is just your opinion how you want to play game.

Am i wrong if ill compress it (answer for my question why adding open pve is bad) down to: "because i dont want other to play game in way other than what i see open"

Or to put it in less passive-aggresive way: Your vision is cool and romantic but, It will not hurt you if others will enjoy game in their own way!
Ooooooor gorankar was right?

The person in charge of the group removes you from the group. Not banned by frontier, unless for the same reasons they ban people from open. But not because it’s mobious.

the rest is not opinion at all. If you die, you presented with a rebuy screen. That’s it. Do better next time, hope you had enough credits. The modes allow you to control who you encounter. Not their behavior. If you’re in a pg the host can only decide whether or not to encounter you again.
You need to learn the difference between fact and opinion.

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

The problem with some players is they don't care about anything except themselves in open. They seem to have this right to kill anyone no matter what, and don't even check who they're killing because they don't care. But i'll give you a scenario of how i died last night which just annoys the living hell out of me because my death was unnecessary, at least in my eyes.

On my way back from a Fuel Rats training mission, me being the trainee. I have nothing on my ship, no weapons, no cargo, out of fuel limpets. No reason to splatter me into the cosmos. Some nameless dirtbag pulls me out of cruise on my way back to Jameson, and kills me in about 3 seconds flat. I'm training up to be a Fuel Rat and i needed this like a hole in the head. Have the decency to at least scan me, read the name on the ship which was a huge clue in itself, before opening fire.

Was all of the above avoidable? Sure, i could have gone into solo for the flight back, but didn't want to as i thought as a trainee Fuel Rat i'd be safe, clearly not. There are some very sad players out there that get off on being a pain in the backside simply because they can. I'll remember this, and next time they need fuel, i may just fly on by.

As soon as i saw "on my way back to jameson" i stopped reading ... seriously , you have a permit for jameson and you expected a different scenario?.

 

[Brrokk]

They don't want an additional PVE Open mode because they fear many of their victims will disappear. It is a valid and understandable fear. PvPers that RP pirate, or murder hobos, or just plain old gankers, need victims. An Open PvE mode removes some, many, or potentially most of their victims. The arguments against it tend to be BGS influence based, (pointless argument due to BGS already being pan modal and pan platform), or are based on what they feel other players should be experiencing. But I am pretty sure it comes down to fear they will lose content. They fear their galaxy will become the empty one. It is very possibly game ruining for them. That is their problem with it, and it is a valid concern. I don't get why they have try to convince us that their very valid concern is something else, but people are weird like that.
I want an Open PvE mode because I prefer to be a cooperative player, not a .vs player. Simple as that.

I think it's obvious that this is the reality. If they could be more honest, it would at least be possible to have a serious debate.

 

[Old Duck]

Attention everyone, FLEET CARRIERS is the topic of the month.

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

The person in charge of the group removes you from the group. Not banned by frontier, unless for the same reasons they ban people from open. But not because it’s mobious.

the rest is not opinion at all. If you die, you presented with a rebuy screen. That’s it. Do better next time, hope you had enough credits. The modes allow you to control who you encounter. Not their behavior. If you’re in a pg the host can only decide whether or not to encounter you again.
You need to learn the difference between fact and opinion.

If you are removed from a group and are found to be trying to join said group again with an alt , you will be banned .. frontier have said as much.

 

[CNC drill press]

Frontier does not ban anyone from private groups

News - Support update - Reiteration of player harassment rules

Hi everyone, In light of recent issues relating to the way a small collective of players have been approaching and targeting specific private groups and other community events such as charity livestreams, we wanted to reinforce an important part of the existing rules regarding in-game...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Second paragraph. That plus fact support is reverting account state from moment of being griefed.

They don't want an additional PVE Open mode because they fear many of their victims will disappear. It is a valid and understandable fear. PvPers that RP pirate, or murder hobos, or just plain old gankers, need victims. An Open PvE mode removes some, many, or potentially most of their victims. The arguments against it tend to be BGS influence based, (pointless argument due to BGS already being pan modal and pan platform), or are based on what they feel other players should be experiencing. But I am pretty sure it comes down to fear they will lose content. They fear their galaxy will become the empty one. It is very possibly game ruining for them. That is their problem with it, and it is a valid concern. I don't get why they have try to convince us that their very valid concern is something else, but people are weird like that.
I want an Open PvE mode because I prefer to be a cooperative player, not a .vs player. Simple as that.

Well said. Oh well surely some are geniuine BGS dedicated players but im pretty sure im yet to encounter one in game.

He probably ganked you because you are a fuel rat. They give the best salt

Some people here try to discuss and find some common ground (some, not evrryone ofc). U are just one-line troll. Begone.

 

[Just Paul]

That is argument for PVP toggle. Its not for Open PVE mode.

Lol no. Have you heard about private group mode? That would be the same. Separate instancing.

Unfortunately EDs modes are not separate and an open-PvE mode, how envisioned by many, is not possible without probably a substantial rewrite.
Remember Solo is just a block everybody blocklist, PG is more akin to whitelists, block everybody beside the ones with the same tag. PG rules are enforced by an honor system and there is nothing in the PG settings to prevent adverse actions until a member is booted from the pg. There are no mechanics in the game to prevent adverse player actions beside FDev or player-made blocklists. They all would need to be written, tested, and implemented. 1min into the first beta the first exploits will be found and the fun begins.

It will be interesting to see with ED 2 if a PVE Open server option is made available like it is on so many other multiplayer games.

I don't think ED or any successor will ever have an open PvE option so long the galaxy is shared. FDev said already that they will not implement an open PvE mode for ED because it would be to much to administrate.

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I do not understand the whole mobius argument. On one side it's put as a shining beacon that most players want an open PvE server and on the other hand people are complaining that they don't see anybody in the PG and want an open-PvE because of it. So which one is it, it can't be both? So either many people sign up just for being there but actually don't use it or it's not that many to begin with. Maybe it could also be that the galaxy is huge and running into somebody else is very unlikely, excluding the known hotspots. This is true for open too.
As I wrote before I put some blame for a noob getting blown up at farseers on the get-stuff-fast guide writers. They are knowledgeable enough to tell the noob to go in solo/pg or prepare for adverse game-play then following the guide. If they still do it in open and get blown up, it's the choice they made. Learn and adopt, be it by gitting gut or switching to another mode.

My personal opinion is that the modes are fine as is, Solo for the people who just want to play alone, PG for group play, and open for everything-allowed-by-the-tos-goes. Maybe a few more settings for PGs would be nice, like automatically boot players who didn't log in for a certain time or hours. In short some better management options. That's what I'm guessing as I never really played in PG as I just never saw the purpose of it. All the things I can do there I can do in open too.

 

[Rick6549]

News - Support update - Reiteration of player harassment rules

Hi everyone, In light of recent issues relating to the way a small collective of players have been approaching and targeting specific private groups and other community events such as charity livestreams, we wanted to reinforce an important part of the existing rules regarding in-game...

forums.frontier.co.uk

Second paragraph. That plus fact support is reverting account state from moment of being griefed.


Well said. Oh well surely some are geniuine BGS dedicated players but im pretty sure im yet to encounter one in game.


Some people here try to discuss and find some common ground (some, not evrryone ofc). U are just one-line troll. Begone.

Yeah ok "one line troll"

 

[Cheese Helmet]

If you are removed from a group and are found to be trying to join said group again with an alt , you will be banned .. frontier have said as much.

The same thing happens with open. If you’re banned from open and try to circumvent the ban with an alt, you can get ip banned. It’s circumventing the ban that’s the issue, not the rules of mobious specifically.

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

The same thing happens with open. If you’re banned from open and try to circumvent the ban with an alt, you can get ip banned. It’s circumventing the ban that’s the issue, not the rules of mobious specifically.

as the group rules could be anything the group creator decides and not part of the established game then sure , there can be no enforcable action for breaking made up rules. Its more the targetted harrasment they care about.

 

[CNC drill press]

The same thing happens with open. If you’re banned from open and try to circumvent the ban with an alt, you can get ip banned. It’s circumventing the ban that’s the issue, not the rules of mobious specifically.

Can you get banned from open and not from other modes? Asking out of curiosity.

as the group rules could be anything the group creator decides and not part of the established game then sure , there can be no enforcable action for breaking made up rules. Its more the targetted harrasment they care about.

Given the fact that they revert account it feels "mobiusey".

 

[Cheese Helmet]

as the group rules could be anything the group creator decides and not part of the established game then sure , there can be no enforcable action for breaking made up rules. Its more the targetted harrasment they care about.

Indeed, and that can happen without any in game pvp too.

 

[Gibbon]

As soon as i saw "on my way back to jameson" i stopped reading ... seriously , you have a permit for jameson and you expected a different scenario?.

As soon as i saw your reply, my eyes glazed over...

 

[Bigmaec]

as the group rules could be anything the group creator decides and not part of the established game then sure , there can be no enforcable action for breaking made up rules. Its more the targetted harrasment they care about.

Pad blocking in mobius is a terrible griefing to be honest.
Speaking from personal experience, and no, changing modes is no solution, but blowing up the blocker is extraordinarily rewarding (in open).

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Can you get banned from open and not from other modes? Asking out of curiosity.


Given the fact that they revert account it feels "mobiusey".

Yes you can get banned from open to only solo. Seen it happen, then say that person try to use an alt and get banned entirely.

they’ve reverted accounts in open from people being actually harrsssed too. Which entriely different from getting ganked or whatever.

An important note from fdev post,

“or a group/individual has taken every step possible to remove a player from their gameplay, then attempting to circumvent this in any fashion is a serious offense and action will be taken accordingly.”
The let you control who run into, not control how people you run into can interact with you. The point of where your control lies is a very important distinction.

 

[CAPT. Ho Chi Minge]

Pad blocking in mobius is a terrible griefing to be honest.
Speaking from personal experience, and no, changing modes is no solution, but blowing up the blocker is extraordinarily rewarding (in open).

This gave me flashbacks to my first week in Elite Dangerous way back when , there must have been about 5 sidewinders all waiting to deliver a mission to an outpost somewhere around the starter systems.. everyone yelling over comms to get off the pad , someone opened up hardpoints shortly after and well .... here we are!.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Attention everyone, FLEET CARRIERS is the topic of the month.

You can check out any time you like
But you can never leave

 

[Chaparral]

I do not understand the whole mobius argument. On one side it's put as a shining beacon that most players want an open PvE server and on the other hand people are complaining that they don't see anybody in the PG and want an open-PvE because of it. So which one is it, it can't be both? So either many people sign up just for being there but actually don't use it or it's not that many to begin with. Maybe it could also be that the galaxy is huge and running into somebody else is very unlikely, excluding the known hotspots. This is true for open too.
As I wrote before I put some blame for a noob getting blown up at farseers on the get-stuff-fast guide writers. They are knowledgeable enough to tell the noob to go in solo/pg or prepare for adverse game-play then following the guide. If they still do it in open and get blown up, it's the choice they made. Learn and adopt, be it by gitting gut or switching to another mode.

My personal opinion is that the modes are fine as is, Solo for the people who just want to play alone, PG for group play, and open for everything-allowed-by-the-tos-goes. Maybe a few more settings for PGs would be nice, like automatically boot players who didn't log in for a certain time or hours. In short some better management options. That's what I'm guessing as I never really played in PG as I just never saw the purpose of it. All the things I can do there I can do in open too.

Mobius is an alternative to Open PVE. It is capped by 20k players per group and fragmented regionally. Actual probability of encountering a player in Mobius is far less than in Open, which is low as it is.

"Too difficult to administrate" sounds a bit of a slacker response given that there are huge numbers of mmos that have pve /pvp splits. Modes and blocking are a cheap and easy way to pretend Open PVP and Open PVE exist. They don't. We have Open PVP and extremely modest PVE options that have a tiny sliver of the shared social experience that other games offer. Not really worried about it for myself. I'm thinking about growing the player base. Right now this game is uber niche.

 

[Just Paul]

"Too difficult to administrate" sounds a bit of a slacker response given that there are huge numbers of mmos that have pve /pvp splits. Modes and blocking are a cheap and easy way to pretend Open PVP and Open PVE exist. They don't. We have Open PVP and extremely modest PVE options that have a tiny sliver of the shared social experience that other games offer. Not really worried about it for myself. I'm thinking about growing the player base. Right now this game is uber niche.

Well that or something similar was what they said about not implementing open-PvE. It's about all the little things which can be used to still make somebody else explode or make somebody else explode you. You would need extra people to check the tickets for "wrongful" explosions and lots of extra spaghetti code.

Elite is a space sim game, it will always be a niche game, same as all the others. Most sim games are niche, they maybe have a bigger following in some countries, but they never will be as popular or profitable as mainstream games. I learned today that farming simulator is very popular in Germany.

Elite is the only mmo I play so excuse my ignorance. Do mmos who have PvE/PvP servers or PvE flags have mainly adverse gameplay like Elite? I mean in Elite there is no common goal to reach, it's just you, maybe a few friends, against the universe and in case of open also against other players directly (sometimes).

For the record.
I played in Solo for a long time and once I got bored I had a look into open and liked what I saw. I don't want that wild west feeling or however you want to call it to change. My only regret is that I didn't try it earlier, but that is on me for listening to all the gankers-everythere voices.