Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.

[Ziggy Stardust]

Hate to break it to you man, but if interdiction is PvP then even going solo won't stop that...

Let's also ignore that there are several ways to avoid getting interdicted while remaining in the system too. But I guess you think heading straight for a station as a square line up behind you is the way to go...

Lets also ignore that as I enter a system as a player, and I react to another player in a system, that's also PvP. Yeah, lets ignore all that.

Player vs Player does not need to include pew pew pew guys. It simply is playing the game opposed to another player, instead of the environment.

So which one is it?

One of that was repeating a statement in sarcasm. I'll let you decide which

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This was me being lost for words.

 

[Navigare Necesse Est]

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Problem: I want to play the BGS in Open, but I don't want it being influence by players in other modes.
Solution: None.

Tough luck. Time to accept you can't be everywhere, anytime.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

By the way, just for information's sake. Playing the BGS is often referred to as PvEvP

 

[A C Ender]

Lets also ignore that as I enter a system as a player, and I react to another player in a system, that's also PvP. Yeah, lets ignore all that.

Then me driving out of the mail slot avoiding a cutter is PvP. Then me having to wait for players to stop hogging landing pads is PvP. Then me assisting another player at guardian ruins is PvP. Then me saying o7 in local is PvP. Then me not getting as many core asteroids are PvP. Note that the last one doesn't require open...

Player vs Player does not need to include pew pew pew guys. It simply is playing the game opposed to another player, instead of the environment.

Then you should stop doing anything affecting BGS since you are opposed to PvP. Or be a hypocrite, your choice. Calling it PvEvP doesn't change that by your definition it's PvP.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

Me as a player escaping another player is not PvP.

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You don't hear me complaining about the humanity of it all. I'm very aware what I want is not available to me because of the mechanics of the game.

Then rather than continuing to watch the monkey chase the weasel around the mulberry bush, spell out exactly what your issue is.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Then me driving out of the mail slot avoiding a cutter is PvP. Then me having to wait for players to stop hogging landing pads is PvP. Then me assisting another player at guardian ruins is PvP. Then me saying o7 in local is PvP. Then me not getting as many core asteroids are PvP. Note that the last one doesn't require open...

There needs to be a vs element. Which in many of your examples is missing.

Then you should stop doing anything affecting BGS since you are opposed to PvP. Or be a hypocrite, your choice.

I am opposed to PvP? Can you quote me? I have nothing against PvP, it just isn't my thing.

And playing the BGS is technically agreed to be PvEvP on these forum, it's playing against another player using the environment. But I am indeed also not playing the BGS.

 

[Old Duck]

To summarize:
Problem: I want to be in Open, but I don't want to PvP
Solution: Just PvP already.

Problem: I want to be in Open, but I don't want to PvP
Solution: BLOCK PvPers

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Then rather than continuing to watch the monkey chase the weasel around the mulberry bush, spell out exactly what your issue is.

My point hasn't changed since my first post to you. I'll be happy to redirect you to it, if you forgot about it in all your attempts to obfuscate.

Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.

Hate to break it to you man, but if interdiction is PvP then even going solo won't stop that... Let's also ignore that there are several ways to avoid getting interdicted while remaining in the system too. But I guess you think heading straight for a station as a square line up behind you is...

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[A C Ender]

There needs to be a vs element. Which in many of your examples is missing.

And playing the BGS is technically agreed to be PvEvP on these forum, it's playing against another player using the environment. But I am indeed also not playing the BGS.

I'm using -your- definition of PvP:

react to another player in a system, that's also PvP.

I also doubt you don't do anything affecting the BGS. It's possible but doubt you specifically only do things in systems where BGS is disabled.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Problem: I want to be in Open, but I don't want to PvP
Solution: BLOCK PvPers

I could never block you

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I'm using -your- definition of PvP:

Fair enough, I'll clarify: react to another player in a system in a defensive manner, as was the situation you described. Which is where the "vs" comes into play.

 

[Old Duck]

Ultimately I only ventured into player piracy to enjoy the rush (which can be had on both sides if people play along) and as proof of concept, especially with the Cobra - it's still vastly more profitable to just go and mine yourself - since you have to wait for victims which can take a little while, then try to extract cargo, which you can only sell at a lower price in a system with a black market - being a pirate is a lot of hassle really! - but it was a fun little detour.

If you are trying to buy a fleet carrier, then yes, mining is really the only way to go. If not...

Right now thanks to Borann, piracy is surprising lucrative relative to non-mining activities. For example, I make more credits pirating per unit time than I do bounty hunting. Since I no longer care about a fleet carrier, piracy is the most lucrative PvP in the game, and it's actually competitive with a lot of PvE as well.

Though ironically, it's the broken mining that makes piracy sustainable, both in regard to volume (number of targets) and value of the loot. Nerfing mining would also nerf piracy IMO.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I also doubt you don't do anything affecting the BGS. It's possible but doubt you specifically only do things in systems where BGS is disabled.

Influencing the BGS is not the same as playing the BGS.

 

[Old Duck]

Influencing the BGS is not the same as playing the BGS.

The BGS is the biggest strawman ever to be erected in an argument. I'm fairly certain most people who cry, "The BGS, the BGS!" could actually care less about the BGS.

Run for your lives! The BGS cometh!

 

[Old Duck]

I could never block you

And I would never pirate you ❤

I've actually made a number of "peace treaties" among different players during my brief time as a pirate. Diplomacy is one of the wonderful things that can only take place between players.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The BGS is the biggest strawman ever to be erected in an argument. I'm fairly certain most people who cry, "The BGS, the BGS!" couldn't actually care less about the BGS.

Run for your lives! The BGS cometh!

I misread that as BGS comet. The one that signals the end of times.

Also fixed a mistake in your post, you're welcome

See, now this is PwP

And I would never pirate you ❤

Awww. If I say Please?

 

[Old Duck]

Awww. If I say Please?

My pirate ship also carries repair limpets, so I could go through all the motions but repair you instead of breaking your hatch. (no naughtiness implied)

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Breaking my hatch sounds dirty when you say it.

 

[Cheese Helmet]

My point hasn't changed since my first post to you. I'll be happy to redirect you to it, if you forgot about it in all your attempts to obfuscate.

Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.

Hate to break it to you man, but if interdiction is PvP then even going solo won't stop that... Let's also ignore that there are several ways to avoid getting interdicted while remaining in the system too. But I guess you think heading straight for a station as a square line up behind you is...

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Your point should have changed since I established that point is incorrect.

go back and reread if you’ve ignored it in your attempts to obfuscate

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Your point should have changed since I established that point is incorrect.

go back and reread if you’ve ignored it in your attempts to obfuscate

Ah, imitation, the most sincere form of flattery. Thanks buddy.

edit: By the way, I have established that what you have established is incorrect.