There's a few planets around the Pleiades and probably Witch Head now that have crashed Thargoid ships which have loads of different types of Thargoid bits around them. I can't remember if they're there as sensor fragments or if you have to shoot Thargoid sensors to get them, but I don't remember it being particularly difficult.
Griefers make open impossible, and how easy the solution is.
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Ah, the old Frontier fix for any problems people have with any aspect of the game - "Knock a couple of zeroes on the end of the payouts and hope they shut up, without actually addressing issues and with no regard for the knock-on effects", and people wonder why FCs cost as much as they do now.
I am also for actual pirating. And seeing issue with pvp toggle. It would protect from pirates. But it wouldnt ADD protection to current situation with pirates. Casue u ahve modes/block. So no diffrence.
As for your proposal - griefers are griefers - they would just go and stip everyone form their hull as you suggested. Not for cargo, for fun.
Also you are forgetting one thing: hatch limpets. Make pvp toggle irrelevant for them.
"play solo if you want complete invicibility so you dont bother people with your presence"
Thats is sick. So currently griefers bothering normal players because they like to make people salty is ok, but you cant stand someones presence?
Thats dense.
Cause, you know others who want jsut hang out during exploration/doing missions/non pvp activites would benefit as they would see others cause they are not forced to solo / dont have nerves/time to create their own list of
Gameplay > immersion
Hence:
- Speed limit
- Visible lazers
- Imaginary force that pulls you toward orbital station axis (when hovering over landing pad with faoff)
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Exploration (at least handing in data) and missions are indirectly PvP if you're doing it in a system with a faction that is being supported by players. If you're supporting someone it could well be to someone else's detriment.
I always try talking, but with comms the way it is and most players I see either ignoring messages or simply menu logging I can understand players shrugging their shoulders and blasting players because that's the limit of interaction of they're going to get anyway. Most players offer the same gameplay as NPCs, so why discriminate?
In fact, if I'm trying to run down influence in a system, your ship is as good as any other to blow up to lower controlling faction influence.
I can hand exploration data in solo/pg and will affect your BGS anyway. So pvp toggle doesnt change a thing.
Also its hillarious as You dont mind ruining someone gamplay by blowing him/her up (and dont tell me u are protecting your bgs, inara reported top danger in deicat ealier today) but microscopic human player influence on bgs is suddenly a problem.
"Most players offer the same gameplay as NPCs, so why discriminate?" - They dont want play with me so I'll make them sad!
Whats benefit to have new one?
So it's "sick" that I don't want hollow red triangles on my scanner in conflict zones distracting me if we can't actually shoot each other, and I don't find out until I've already wasted ordnance on them? Get lost.
I find it amusing to see increase of absurditiy of cases/arguments presented against any (even remotely) anti-griefing idea.
Because its a pretty silly idea
Handing data or doing whatever in solo/PG is fine, especially if you just want to do stuff without other players bothering you. However, if you're doing it in open, how do I tell the difference between you, who is just making a few credits or an active faction supporter?
We know Deciat is dangerous, however since I'm not interested in ganking at engineer bases and have never done so I can't really comment further. Other players do what other players do, I just adapt to it.
However, if you think that player influence non BGS is microscopic, you don't understand the BGS. At all. One player who knows what they're doing can can cause all sorts of problems, as anyone who supports a faction will testify to.
As for making players sad. Nope, not it at all. A ship is a ship, I simply don't care who pilots it.
how is it absurd? It's literally the rules in mobius. If you see someone else in a CZ in mobius then you're not allowed to shoot them under the group rules, even if they're on the opposing side. This is a case that already happens in the places that are controlled by the hardcore anti-pvp players.
The extent of needed “anti greifing” tools already exists. You have solo, pg, open, and the ability to block peopke.
the problem with the open PvE suggestion is you want to control human behavior. The game allows to control who you can run into, not how they behave. You can’t have random player interaction but also want to protect yourself from.... random player interaction, good or bad.
You seem to place a lot of value in just "seeing" other players. Are you lonely?
Doesn't have to be that difficult. Many an MMO have designated PVP areas and sometimes some of the hardest missions even take place there...like Smuggler's Grotto (SWTOR? Anyone?), and the one in ESO. At the very least? What Elite can do? Make it so unpopulated sectors, like COL 285 [XX-X], anarchy systems, stations around low security areas, or even conflict zones (if fighting for opposing side) are the only PVP areas. Even then, you could introduce a challenge feature, to the likes of ESO, where you could straight up do battle anywhere... even in high security areas and throw on a flag which allows other players to attack you, if, say, you have certain mission types, like smuggling, or powerplay functions, like running media...these things would lift attack restrictions.
You made me think into this "control human behaviour" - but after consideration, Im not buying this. As someone mentioned earlier, lot of games have pvp areas and such. Actually mobius is open pve, since Frontier respect PG law and "ressurect" You if u got killed (at least what i heard). So behaviour control everywhere.
Why need anything else, you may ask? Simply because majority of players dont know about mobius. They just sit in solo once they got their butts kicked. Or stay in open ofc but i think majority of ppl who just want casual fun go to solo. Such ppl dont care about forums and stuff. Id be totally fine if there would be just open pve mode right next to current open. I wouldnt say a word.
Well actually I am, bubble is big with lot pf systems! Not mention galaxy, so chances of running into anyone are quite low (unless few popular systems). So its pretty cool to encounter other cmdr.
Or were you refering to my real life in pathetic attempt to belittle me?
GRIEFER: people who broke other players experience, using gameplay mechanic. isnt pvp (not direct pew pew), griefer can exist only for broke PVE stuff.
faming cz against another pmf in solo, this is griefing. no care if game permit or not, is griefing because you work in the shadow, like a sabotator.
Ganker: people who attack other people without reason (or apparently not a reason game-related in terms of lore\story etc) bad guys, gank is PvP.
Remember the difference cause i still se so much time the word griefer wroted without sense.
faming cz against another pmf in solo, this is griefing. no care if game permit or not, is griefing because you work in the shadow, like a sabotator.
Ganker: people who attack other people without reason (or apparently not a reason game-related in terms of lore\story etc) bad guys, gank is PvP.
Remember the difference cause i still se so much time the word griefer wroted without sense.
1) elite isn’t a lot of games
2) if you don’t buy it, then why would möbius have rules controlling human behavior? Because that’s the entire desire around open pve.
Open pvers claim to want to play in a sandbox that “doesn’t care” where “you’re not special, the hero, etc” but the second they aren’t the top of the food chain it’s “we need to protect me from not being top of the food chain.”
the open pve suggestion is based on disingenuous intentions at best.
Ruining other people game experience just for the fun of it is the essence of what it means to be a griefer in a video game. They are the same thing. If you gank someone you are griefing them. You are interrupting their experience and potentially ruining their night for your own entertainment.
Now that is allowed in the current open format, but don't try and pretend you aren't griefing people by trying split hairs about the exact definitions. You are griefing them. End of story.
Clairvoyant now, are we?