So much this ^^^. In fact this has to be the go-to post whenever the empire builders bring up this done to death subject.
Guilds in Elite Dangerous
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So much this ^^^. In fact this has to be the go-to post whenever the empire builders bring up this done to death subject.
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I don't have a link but I do remember a Q+A session when this was mentioned. the answer was very vague, along the lines of. 'It is something we will look at, maybe sometime in the future but 'guilds' won't be along the lines of what people expect them to be'. Also, one of the dev diary videos goes more into why the guild concept is not something that fits in with the Elite ideology. I remember DB saying in the vid that he does not want guilds to become something you have to be in to have any chance of progressing. He does not want guilds to take away the tenet of player individuality.
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..and he then says that anything much more than friends groups doesn't feel right. It's a diplomatic response to a live question (and he is letting the questioner down gently). Its pretty clear he's not into guilds and guild-like mechanics, in my humble opinion of course.
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Firstly I didn't mention the word MMO - I said most SERIOUS multiplayer clans use teamspeak or similar - where does that statement mention traditional MMO functionality?
It doesn't because my point is that anyone who is willing and serious about grouping up will use a 3rd party tool because they generally work better than in game coms.
In fact I didn't even mention the word MMO because I consider ED to be doing it's own thing, which is something I'm very happy with so far.
Second point - yes we could go down the 'make your own phallic symbol decal route' but I've seen it in enough games to know that it doesn't take long for offensive 'art' to appear... I've seen it happen in enough games to know it doesn't work like a charm.
Third point - again with the assumption that your opinion is the only one that matters. I want to influence and be part of the universe they have given us; I don't want to be a part of a universe that you and your mates have built.
I want to be worried about getting on the wrong side of a big faction like the Feds; I don't want to be worried about getting on the wrong side of Fat Bobs Slimmers World guild.
It's also heartening to know that all the hard work done in Lugh has all just been mindless pew pew. Apparently it won't become legitimate and factual until we can name our own minor and major factions who can physically take over any and all systems and their stations. Worrying though it is to find out that all the time I thought I was having fun - I really wasn't!?
To say that what we are able to do so far has no meaning, and that there are no common goals until guilds arrive and take over really doesn't take into account what large parts of the playerbase are already (happily) doing with the factions.
I think people should sit back and see what FD have planned for the factions we already have.
Hopefully we'll be able to actually join them soon; and if done correctly we should all get something we are happy with (that FD can retain overall control over).
Anyway I've put my thoughts down and won't be arguing further - FD will do what they want; I've seen plenty of doom mongering round here about how ED will fail unless it does x or y. So far ED hasn't died or imploded despite not giving in to all the demands of internet experts everywhere.
Thanks for the info guys..... So as it stands, it seems not something DB is fond of, but not ruled out either....... Maybe DB should be in politics
What it does show though is this may not be a done deal either way, so, unlike the group swapping arguments, this one is probably a discussion which is actually worth having still, regardless of if for or against.
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Thanks for the info guys..... So as it stands, it seems not something DB is fond of, but not ruled out either....... Maybe DB should be in politics
What it does show though is this may not be a done deal either way, so, unlike the group swapping arguments, this one is probably a discussion which is actually worth having still, regardless of if for or against.
Well sure, in the same way it could be said that Europe is "not fond of but hasn't completely ruled out" future fascist regimes.
DB and FD did everything short of telling people to stick guilds where the sun don't shine, and when they finally caved and went as far as they were willing they gave us wings. They have spoken on numerous occasions about how guilds (as they exist in games like Eve) are completely opposed to the ED gameplay and ideology of "one man in a spaceship" and that including them would mean a complete change of direction, and have never given any reason for anyone to ever think they are considering including them.
DB doesn't want them. FD don't want them. 2/3 of the players in EVERY poll on the matter haven't wanted them. They're not happening. Get over it.
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You could equally say:
Well sure, in the same way it could be said that Europe is "not fond of but hasn't completely ruled out" future liberal social structures.
DB hasn't completely ruled them out. FD hasn't completely ruled them out. 2/3 of the small sample of players taken from unbalanced forum polls haven't wanted them and yet the question keeps coming up over and over and over again...so maybe there is a demand for some social structure tool-sets to be introduced in game.
woah easy tiger, reel it in a bit....... Personally I HATE guilds!. Its the main reason I have no interest in Eve, and if they become the defacto way to play in open, aside from when I am playing with friends who insist on PvP it will mean I will never log into open again.......... but dont forget this is a discussion board, and until FD do come out and state a certain feature is or isnt happening, then it is only human nature to talk about it, and this IS, whether you like it or not the "guilds thread".
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The thin end of the wedge.
Tip of the iceberg
beginning of the end
cant think of any more systematic encroachment sayings.......
edit.... damn smsKONG cant believe I forgot that one
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Aye, give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile.
Pile of... Oh, wait, no... I think I may have misunderstood...
Robert Maynard
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No, he has not - although the tone of his response tends to suggest that if any social structure tool-sets were to be introduced then they would be for groups smaller than might be expected by guild feature proponents.
The topic keeps recurring because nothing has changed in relation to what is being asked for so those doing the asking ask again - that does not indicate anything as to Frontier's future plans in this regard.
Quantifying the demand is the difficult bit - presumably a poll on the official forums of the game would be the place to look, after all, these forums have been created by Frontier for players (and potential players) to discuss the game and all of its features.
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That's right, they're much nicer than I am and try not to upset people or burn bridges especially when they're being interviewed by magazines etc and they don't want to sound negative... whereas I have no problem with being direct and stating the obvious.
What you might not be aware of is there's been a LOT more than the two recent polls, these things date back to beta or earlier, and EVERY poll I've seen on the matter has been started by someone who WANTS them, and almost without fail they've been worded in order to bias toward a "yes" result (just like this one, with it's dodgy three different "yes" answers and only one "no" answer) and yet have ALL overwhelmingly received 2/3 majority results in the negative. They've almost all received numbers of respondents IN THE HUNDREDS (just like this one at 566 at time of close) which is easily a high enough sample rate to be considered representative in a small community such as this.
Yes it's quite amazing just how stubborn and bloody-minded the few guild worshippers in here can be, isn't it? Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary they keep on grasping onto any conceivable straw in the vain hope that one day ED will become Eve Mk 2.
Not gonna happen.
Agreed. I get a bit fed up of this "minority of players are using the forum so they don't count" argument. If the unsung millions are that keen on guilds then they'd be here asking about them. Ergo, although the forum population might not be exactly representative, they're representative enough of that people that actually care to make their opinion known. It's like the general election - if you don't vote, then your opinion is irrelevant (IMHO) - you didn't care enough, you deal with the consequences.
If FD were considering guilds I'd like to see them look for ideas and opinions from the forums, and possibly write their own polls (advertised in the newsletter) to get more of a representative idea of what people wanted, and didn't want.
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