Guilds in Elite Dangerous

[xondk]

Guilds are reserved for games with large scale events, player generated economy / player trading, crafting, group objectives and things like that.

If implemented, they would actually make the game look bad, underlining its limitations and lack of content even more.

Would I like to see corporations and many of the options that EVE has, in ED? You bet your a** I would.

Give them tags and chat channels...

Theyll want their own individual faction status.

Only really need groups, group chat, maybe group decale, and maybe the ability to align your group with a minor/major faction if you ask me, that is all elite would need and I think it would fit just fine

 

[Max Torps]

Aye, give 'em an inch and they'll take a mile.

Tip of the iceberg
beginning of the end

cant think of any more systematic encroachment sayings.......

edit.... damn smsKONG cant believe I forgot that one

Slippery slope argument once more... Please, it would be more constructive to state why a guild may be harmful to you in game rather than use logical fallacy.

No, he has not - although the tone of his response tends to suggest that if any social structure tool-sets were to be introduced then they would be for groups smaller than might be expected by guild feature proponents.

The topic keeps recurring because nothing has changed in relation to what is being asked for so those doing the asking ask again - that does not indicate anything as to Frontier's future plans in this regard.

Quantifying the demand is the difficult bit - presumably a poll on the official forums of the game would be the place to look, after all, these forums have been created by Frontier for players (and potential players) to discuss the game and all of its features.

I would suggest that tone of response can only provide assumption rather than fact. Therefore you can also assume that there is thought being put into guild tool-sets - whatever their nature may be. And, it is obvious that no one really knows what the demand is so there is another assumption that they might be for smaller groups than "expected". But that actually might be quite cool, who knows for certain?

The topic keeps recurring because instead of providing a choice of using a tool-set or not, there is no tool-set. It's as simple as that, the demand for "something" is there whether people like that idea or not.

A newsletter with plenty of notice drawing players to a well-constructed forum poll would be ideal. Frontier would be able to do that with little effort.

 

[Sandmann]

Slippery slope argument once more... Please, it would be more constructive to state why a guild may be harmful to you in game rather than use logical fallacy.

No, if you want to introduce a new, major, game direction altering feature then the onus is on you to explain how that feature will benefit ALL players, even the ones who don't want it, and won't negatively impact on any them. You don't get to demand new features be implemented just because you want them unless someone else can prove that they're not needed.

 

[Robert Maynard]

The topic keeps recurring because instead of providing a choice of using a tool-set or not, there is no tool-set. It's as simple as that, the demand for "something" is there whether people like that idea or not.

The argument "if you don't like it don't use it" gets brought up regularly, most recently regarding requesting an auto-pilot. Frontier have been very clear that, while there is a docking computer for lore reasons (i.e. Elite had one), there won't be an auto-pilot. So, simply because there is demand (from an unquantified portion of the player-base) does not mean that Frontier will necessarily introduce a feature.

 

[xondk]

The argument "if you don't like it don't use it" gets brought up regularly, most recently regarding requesting an auto-pilot. Frontier have been very clear that, while there is a docking computer for lore reasons (i.e. Elite had one), there won't be an auto-pilot. So, simply because there is demand (from an unquantified portion of the player-base) does not mean that Frontier will necessarily introduce a feature.

I don't think there is any official word on larger group/guild talk though?
I think my previously mentioned suggestion would work fine.

 

[Sandmann]

The argument "if you don't like it don't use it" gets brought up regularly, most recently regarding requesting an auto-pilot. Frontier have been very clear that, while there is a docking computer for lore reasons (i.e. Elite had one), there won't be an auto-pilot. So, simply because there is demand (from an unquantified portion of the player-base) does not mean that Frontier will necessarily introduce a feature.

Exactly this ^^^... and even more so where the demand has repeatedly been shown to be less than 1/3 of players, and where the introduction of such would be to the detriment of the other 2/3.

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I don't think there is any official word on larger group/guild talk though?
I think my previously mentioned suggestion would work fine.

The ONLY official mentions of it have been in the negative. It's never even been suggested by FD that they might look at introducing it.

(Of course, I'm really hoping the new "powerplay" thing isn't guilds by another name )

 

[Flavourless]

...It's as simple as that, the demand for "something" is there whether people like that idea or not...

Nothing is as simple as you seem to think.

There will always be a demand, even for extremely poor ideas, it does not mean they should be pandered to.
If FD implemented an optional system giving infinite shields and one shot weapons (as opposed to those that players themselves implement), then I am sure there would be a healthy demand.
But it would kill the nature of the game of Elite in exactly the same way that player guilds, or crafting, or credit transfers, or any other form of empire-building would.

 

[Max Torps]

The argument "if you don't like it don't use it" gets brought up regularly, most recently regarding requesting an auto-pilot. Frontier have been very clear that, while there is a docking computer for lore reasons (i.e. Elite had one), there won't be an auto-pilot. So, simply because there is demand (from an unquantified portion of the player-base) does not mean that Frontier will necessarily introduce a feature.

The point being, Frontier have been very clear that there will be no auto-pilot (as you say). That's a separate discussion though, please don't try to mix the issues up to invalidate another discussion.

 

[Sandmann]

The point being, Frontier have been very clear that there will be no auto-pilot (as you say). That's a separate discussion though, please don't try to mix the issues up to invalidate another discussion.

They've been just as clear on the the guilds matter, it's just that the supporters of them refuse to see it. Just because they've taken a softly softly approach to saying no, doesn't mean they are saying yes.

 

[Ghostickles]

Kill the game huh?
'It ruins it'?
How, exactly.
Please, god tell me how it ruins it.
Tired of hearing that it will, because players want to do things, but I am failing to see how it ruins anything, all you are saying is players will play more, just not you.
Personally I don't want antisocial players in the game with me, so how about them apples?
How exactly does it get ruined?

 

[jabokai]

The ONLY official mentions of it have been in the negative. It's never even been suggested by FD that they might look at introducing it.

Not true, they've said several times that it's something they'd possibly look at, post release.

e.g.

One thing that many people have asked about is the inclusion of an in-game guild or clan system, so that players can organise themselves into social groups. Unfortunately this isn’t something that is planned for initial release, but may be considered as a post-launch addition:

Sandy: Voluntary only – there will not to my knowledge be an ‘official’ in-game definition of this.
Michael: Not to begin with, the player groups are organised by the players themselves. This may be expanded after the initial release.

Emphasis by me.

 

[Robert Maynard]

The point being, Frontier have been very clear that there will be no auto-pilot (as you say). That's a separate discussion though, please don't try to mix the issues up to invalidate another discussion.

No intent to mix issues, simply giving a concrete example of a feature request, that was asked for many times by a number of forum users, that Frontier, eventually, made a definitive statement on in the negative.

 

[Sandmann]

Not true, they've said several times that it's something they'd possibly look at, post release.

What do you think "wings" was?

 

[Cosmos]

I find it interesting the way this thread is always necro'd whenever the topic comes up. That poll at the top is hopelessly out of date from way back when there was a very small number of people involved in the project. I noticed the more recent reddit poll shows some different results.

If this thread is going to be the main discussion area I think its about time the poll at the very top be removed.

 

[Sandmann]

Kill the game huh?
'It ruins it'?
How, exactly.
Please, god tell me how it ruins it.
Tired of hearing that it will, because players want to do things, but I am failing to see how it ruins anything, all you are saying is players will play more, just not you.
Personally I don't want antisocial players in the game with me, so how about them apples?
How exactly does it get ruined?

If you actually want to know, just go and read ANY of the MILLIONS of posts on the topic. If you're just trying to justify guilds by hoping we're too lazy to type the reasons YET AGAIN, well we are but it didn't work.

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I find it interesting the way this thread is always necro'd whenever the topic comes up. That poll at the top is hopelessly out of date from way back when there was a very small number of people involved in the project. I noticed the more recent reddit poll shows some different results.

If this thread is going to be the main discussion area I think its about time the poll at the very top be removed.

Actually there was recently a poll here for a few days till it got closed which showed exactly the same results.

 

[Ghostickles]

Don't deflect, answer or don't reply.
Thanx

 

[Robert Maynard]

I find it interesting the way this thread is always necro'd whenever the topic comes up. That poll at the top is hopelessly out of date from way back when there was a very small number of people involved in the project. I noticed the more recent reddit poll shows some different results.

If this thread is going to be the main discussion area I think its about time the poll at the very top be removed.

While the poll is quite old, the results seem to be consistent with those for current users of these forums.

 

[CMDR Skallagrimm]

The slippery slope argument. Lol.

Do you actually understand the slippery slope argument?

It is based on a fallacy.

My observations are based on a good few years playing Eve Online.
Here we have something quite demonstrable.
Here we can see the results of player control.
Here we can see what happens when you allow players to run the sandbox completely unleashed.

And consider that certain groups are already displaying traits such as what we find in Eve Online, particularly with the metagame, hiding behind 'role play' and their vision of what the game should be. Tied in with a very obvious 'We have come from Eve Online can we have all your stuff'. It really is not all that hard to draw conclusions of this kind.

 

[Marc Alexander]

The point being, Frontier have been very clear that there will be no auto-pilot (as you say). That's a separate discussion though, please don't try to mix the issues up to invalidate another discussion.

I think you have to appreciate that, in keeping with the ethos of what 'Elite' is, FD aren't going to entertain guilds and guild-like game mechanics. It is not what the game is about.

 

[Ghostickles]

Robert Maynard, that poll yesterday, I didn't reply because honestly, I couldn't tell if OP account was serious or trolling. Plus, it wasn't up but a couple few hours.
EDIT: ...and poorly phrased.