because if you can't convince these people you have no chance of convincing the developers
Gunner = Arcade Action Cam for the 12 yr olds?
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because if you can't convince these people you have no chance of convincing the developers
Your concern is that the turret cam is 'halfway to third person piloting', I get that, and it's a pure assumption with evidence from Frontier to the contrary.
Please quote me where I have made false claims so that I may retract or correct them. You've called me out so please point me to them.
gosh I wonder what arguing with someone who doesn't accept basic facts about reality might be like
Don't get me wrong. I don't want 3rd person piloting. The way the external camera was demonstrated is as far as I want to go down THAT rabbit hole, but it makes sense for how turrets work.
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This thread just literally went over a cliff. In third person.
I can agree to disagree on that, but as the feature is presented, I just agree there is no reason to force extra components into the mix when what we have works for the task.
.. oh good grief.
I'm giving a lot of people a lot of room at present because it's pretty evident there's a ton of emotion leaking out of commentary and so I can't really blame too much.
But oh-so-many examples of logical falicy at the moment as a consequence. It's unreal.
That's debatable!
You can be as insulting as you want, but it won't help your argument. Historically, Frontier responds to complaints. Up to this point, there has been large scale support for the first person cockpit view because that was all there was available. If there is a lore based explanation for 3rd person cam, then half of the support for first person is eroded. The 2 new 3rd person cams take us a couple steps further down that slope. And all I am saying is that if we want to maintain the current integrity of the game, we need to be vigilant against the people who will call increasingly for 3rd person pilot mode.
You act as if I was actually arguing against 3rd person cam for gunnery or the vanity cam. Next time maybe read a thread before you join a rabid mob of arcadists?
Unacceptable! If you aren't going over the cliff in a barrel in first person..
Yup, you are correct, sensors already know what is or isn't around you, so yeah problem solved.
You lost me, should this not do to the odd thread.
and I may be repeating myself but holy crap that is the basis of persuasion, you are meeting someone that doesn't necessarily accept your view and are trying to get them to accept it. if you can't do that with people that simply aren't interested in your view you are never getting through to people that have a monetary reason to reject you
I'm not insulting you Ziljan I just can't get behind a religious panic. I am sorry. Because it is a religious panic. There is absolutely no intention, including directly stated by the developer, for full third-person view for commanders.
There is no intention to do away with or supplant first person. The existing debug cam is awful and frontier are finally improving this. The gunner view gives good situational awareness and there could well be reasons why they can't just have a holographic sensor view in ship, for example. Who knows. This is just how they have chosen to create the feature.
That is a far cry from third person suddenly replacing first.
You are making an assumption that the developer intends to do something they are being very very careful to not have happen. I think you're doing them a disservice to effectively state they are, when it's inordinately and factually clear they are not.
I don't believe this is he beginning of the end, friend. I am sorry.
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So are you like, just making up terms now because people disagree with you?
Because it's cool if you are, irrational sure, but cool. I just want to know.
Again, you have to agree basic facts like table and chair, left and right, and a host of language based realities. If a person can't agree which way is down, how can you convince them they are heading there?
btw. I already posted a direct response to the persons question, which they then quoted and asked why I hadn't answered their question. If that isn't direct evidence of how persuasion fails in the absence of a shared reality, then I don't see how I can convince you of the foundational importance of basic facts, before any persuasion can even occur.
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Ahem, just to be clear, third person with a few exceptions is what would be considered 'quaint old-timey' in my book, or just plain arcady? there's nothing wrong with liking that, but your statement isn't true.
And I mean it seems pretty obvious that people want third person because it gives a larger 'view' of things, so it 'looks' cool and gives more spatial awareness from visuals alone, here's the thing though.
first person has just as much spatial awareness, use your sensor, looks and feels cooler in my book as well.
Again, nothing wrong in liking third person, but going "third person is better no question" just isn't true.
Personally I feel it would significantly detract from the game.