Has the lore been abandoned or just changed?

I like your moxie, though aren't they remote drones, a la SLFs?

If they are, why can't we pilot them? negate the need (somewhat) for spacelegs. Drones are awesome in X Rebirth, gets you in places the ship can't get to then hack into computer systems inside bases / ships.

As for the lore, pretty sure I remember D Braben saying they've got a thick bible sized encyclopedia on the Tharg and stuff but they do seem to be playing fast and loose with it, even in game.

Why did drew delete his account? one would usually do that to make a point.
 
If they are, why can't we pilot them? negate the need (somewhat) for spacelegs. Drones are awesome in X Rebirth, gets you in places the ship can't get to then hack into computer systems inside bases / ships.

Never played X Rebirth, but there's a fairly new game called Duskers that operates around that premise. Some equivalent in Elite would have worked well with the various Generation ships.
 
The Lore is hard.

Michael Brookes was the primary world builder, and he's working on JWE these days.

I put together a set of material about the Alliance using primary sources where possible.
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php/365538-A-history-of-the-Alliance-from-in-game-sources
That thread is pretty legible and I periodically update it.
I need to spend some time with it soon.

Here are the primary sources ranked in order of Trustworthy.
1) In game beacons: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...wD1Ax_GaDz4d7l8KD76kSzX4DEk/edit#gid=14726839
2) Gal Net: https://community.elitedangerous.com/en/galnet
3) The FFE Journals text from in-game: http://www.dream-ware.co.uk/first-encounters/journals/all/
4) The FE2 Gazetteer: https://lotf.co.uk/fe2_gazetteer.html
5) Elite Manual: http://www.elitehomepage.org/manual.htm
5) Michael Brookes and Drew Wagars novels.
6) Other novels.

For me - I don't mind that the Lore is messy and full of contradiction and rumours.
Did INRA really kill Mic Turner? Do Lakon ships use Thargoid tech, but Gutamaya ones don't?
Did the AAAI shipards of New Rossyth ever exist?
You can care, but you can't know.

You read a lot - do your best and put together something plausible. Just make a case and have something to back it up.

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the lore will telepresence in soon(tm) to explain how skimmers do what they do in a universe without AI.

The same way they work in a 2014 computer game.

Don’t need real learning AI, just heuristics.

Or are you saying FDEV are using actual universe threatening AI inED?
 
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Drew and FD parted company after last Aprils Salome debacle. but I don't know why

The communities reaction was rather poor. I tend to agree that the event wasn't any good, but that's probably as far as he could take it with the tools that FDEV had given him, which was basically none. The forums as usual insulted him for days and since that time I haven't seen him posting here which is a normal reaction to the crétins who are active on these boards. I am pretty sure Frontier would abandon their own forums as well if they could...
 
Mr. Wagner posts a bit on Facebook. From what he said back on May 19, he will be checking out the game again for the Q4 update. He was asked if he is finished with ED:

For now. I've seen everything, done everything on my list of things to do. I'll pop back for the Q4 exploration update to see if it's interesting.

He has expressed some disappointment in FD not developing the lore properly. From May 7:

This is the missed opportunity overall. Such a rich backstory and lore - unused for the most part, and there were so many people who would have been more than happy to help build it all out for free and gratis with Frontier owning the IP. There was no barrier to doing it other than a will to engage.

Lastly, he seems to be enjoying NMS now :D. May 19:

To be honest, I'm much more excited about the upcoming enhancements to No Man's Sky. For a game that was panned on release it's coming on in leaps and bounds, with a lot of interest content being dropped on a pretty fast schedule.
 
I could be wrong here but I always thought that Michael was one of the main architects of the games lore and when he left so did any motivation on Frontiers part to carry on with his work.


I have no merit to back this up, this is only my opinion which could very well be wrong, but I agree, after MB left Elite Dangerous, game progression and lore along with it, seems like have slowed down to a crawl. I for one, hope this soon changes for better.
 
I was not happy about the games's development under MB's leadership either.

When MB was still part of the team we got gems like Powerplay, CQC and the Engineers. I think both, Sandro and MB are great people and I'd love to drink a beer with them. But I don't necessarily agree with their vision for the game. I do realise that my opinion isn't worth more than anyone's else though. All we can do is to provide feedback and hope that some of it finds a way into the game.

I do miss the dev updates though.
 
I think Drew sort of assumed his work would become the core of Elite? The books are pretty cool from what I understand, but it's worth remembering who actually owns 'the property' of elite. Frontier. So whilst I completely respect the work he's done, expecting a business to just hand over creative control of lore to someone else, is probably a bit of a stretch in expectation.

It's less the case of 'lore' changing; so much as who is ultimately driving that. Which should never ever be in doubt. Frontier. Lore exists to describe and serve the game world; not so much be the concrete shoes it's forced to wear. As for creative direction; that has nothing to do with Drew, and never did. He's a cool author who wrote a bunch of stuff based on the universe David (Braben) and Ian (Bell) created back in the day and it's cool that a lot of that was able to be tied into the game.

We have no idea what deal, if any, existed for that crossover material, but I don't think we can just assume Drew had some sort of monopoly or directive aspect here. And since Frontier seem to have decided Elite doesn't need a creative director or producer (the credits refer to people no-longer associated iirc) folks can't expect miracles.

I'm not being overly presumptuous here. The people who own the IP will likely desire to have creative control, and that's a fairly normal arrangement. That they don't appear to have much creative direction, or tying much of anything to lore, might be because Sandy can only do so much. Frontier should probably have invested more interest and personnel in that space, and it's a shame they haven't.

They haven't, which doesn't surprise me really, because David was always more interested in the universe and bgs and how all the mechanics work and I can't remember him really waxing lyrical about lore. Stuff tends to start at the top? Just say'n.
 
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lore along with it, seems like have slowed down to a crawl
Interesting - I think if anything it's accelerated quite a bit since the 3.0 release:
- more filling out of the background and personality of the Powerplay figureheads
- hints that the superpowers' support for Aegis is less then wholehearted
- a bunch of assassins with an unknown agenda and cover story
- Aisling Duval not having given up on winning the throne
- Thargoids searching INRA bases (for the vaccine?)
- Discovery (and weaponisation) of new Guardian tech

It feels like more has happened in the three months since 3.0 than happened in an entire year of Horizons
 
The communities reaction was rather poor. I tend to agree that the event wasn't any good, but that's probably as far as he could take it with the tools that FDEV had given him, which was basically none. The forums as usual insulted him for days and since that time I haven't seen him posting here which is a normal reaction to the crétins who are active on these boards. I am pretty sure Frontier would abandon their own forums as well if they could...

The forums insulted him for that? Why? He didn't do anything wrong. The extremely poor choices of the "defenders" and their elitest attitude is, however, worthy of ridicule. Why would anyone insult Drew?
 
The reason I ask this is because I was on Drew Wager's Twitter and he appears to be rather upset and somewhat disgruntled with Frontier. From what I understand he basically said The lore has been abandoned. It also seems he no longer plays anymore.

Has Fdev largely abandoned the original storyline or have they maybe decided they want to take it in a slightly different direction from Drew's ideas? Lore us one of the best parts of the game IMO.

I thought he didn't play at all actually.
 
The communities reaction was rather poor.

Minor understatement. The game simply isn't really built to achieve what was intended, combined with endless own-goals of folks obsessed about controlling experiences to the detriment of all else. Good intent that paved the way to hell, as such things tend to do. Frontier tries hard to entertain these things. But that's not the designed purpose of the game, and the propensity for the game to trigger considerable obsession tends to undo a lot of otherwise great intent.

The forums..

About covers it. I've noticed a pattern. Frontier has since started entertaining notions from not-the-forums. This is potentially not a bad thing in the slightest.
 
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The forums..

Refer above. There is some history. I'll leave it at that to maintain a sense of decorum. I am aware of posting on a forum to observe about the forum, is a tad ironic. As I have said a few times now, the more Frontier entertains feedback from broader sources, the better the game will get due to the wealth of broader knowledge that will tap, versus perhaps more narrow observations.

That extends to lore, mechanics, and even player events.

To be kind to Frontier, and fair, very few games actually manage to support community run events inordinately well. Most games are built to entertain and achieve a set of goals; that seldom includes 'not-developer' creative direction, and as such, the ability to do so is, naturally, limited.

Frontier actually try very very hard to do the best they can in that space; but that's not their primary role, or goal. I'd like to think lessons were learnt all around, but I'd be lying if I said they did, for the not-frontier quotient. Frontier has a surprisingly developed capability to entertain requests? But they can't be expected to manage said, and that's where it tends to fall apart. The phrase "too many cooks" springs to mind.
 
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The forums insulted him for that? Why? He didn't do anything wrong. The extremely poor choices of the "defenders" and their elitest attitude is, however, worthy of ridicule. Why would anyone insult Drew?

People blamed him for it and the forums were a pretty nasty place for a few days. The claim was that he planned it the way it happened from the very beginning and that the community had no chance to protect that Salami because he wanted her dead. Personally I think even if it's true it would be alright, he was the 'gamemaster' and wanted to tell a story that we can participate in.
 
Interesting - I think if anything it's accelerated quite a bit since the 3.0 release:
- more filling out of the background and personality of the Powerplay figureheads
- hints that the superpowers' support for Aegis is less then wholehearted
- a bunch of assassins with an unknown agenda and cover story
- Aisling Duval not having given up on winning the throne
- Thargoids searching INRA bases (for the vaccine?)
- Discovery (and weaponisation) of new Guardian tech

It feels like more has happened in the three months since 3.0 than happened in an entire year of Horizons

And the 2nd Ram Tah mission, which gave us some of the only in-game lore about the history of the Thargoids and the Guardians. And scouts appeared for the first time (alive) in a while. Also the Thargoids have invaded the bubble, reasons unknown, though Ian points at some.

But as some say, no new lore ;)

Can anyone tell me when was this golden age of lore that people seem to remember? I know I quit the game for a year or so (I think during 1.x) because all we were getting was court intrigue, which is not my most interesting thing, so I may have missed it.
 
I'm surprised this thread has made it this far without being moved by the mods to the Lore Section.

Maybe it's 'cos no one mentioned PP in open, that it's allowed to stay in the Dangerous Discussion Section.
 

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Comments like these are a large part of the reason Drew left.

Good thing I never made a comment then considering Drew is one of only several posters Ive ever blocked and muted on these forums in all the years Ive used it. If the previous comment irked ye, then Ill refrain from expanding on the reasons why.

As such, Im not overly concerned about what happens next with the lore ^
 
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