Has the lore been abandoned or just changed?

[rootsrat]

Can anyone tell me when was this golden age of lore that people seem to remember? I know I quit the game for a year or so (I think during 1.x) because all we were getting was court intrigue, which is not my most interesting thing, so I may have missed it.

For me it was when we discovered the first Guardian bases, the Barnacles and then the whole Formidine Rift mystery, with base searching and so on. That was really well made in terms of narrative and lore. It was engaging, it was interesting and it was fun, even with the limited game mechanics.

Then the pace of the narrative slowed down to nearly a stop and it's been painfully slow since then.

 

[Factabulous]

I'm surprised this thread has made it this far without being moved by the mods to the Lore Section.

Can't move a thread which posits that there is no lore into the lore forum, it would implode*.

* Well, unless that forum is open-only, obviously.

 

[gooddoc]

Can't move a thread which posits that there is no lore into the lore forum, it would implode*.

* Well, unless that forum is open-only, obviously.

Hehe, nice workaround & here's me thinking that the mods have double standards.

Anyway, better get on topic (to avoid a ban)

Yes I think the lore has been abandoned

 

[Zed]

The forums insulted him for that? Why? He didn't do anything wrong. The extremely poor choices of the "defenders" and their elitest attitude is, however, worthy of ridicule. Why would anyone insult Drew?

He did one thing wrong. He added the wizard boy to Salome's friend list. For someone who claimed they didn't care what the outcome of the whole thing was that will have looked to many like her death was intended.

 

[rootsrat]

Hehe, nice workaround & here's me thinking that the mods have double standards.

Anyway, better get on topic (to avoid a ban)

Yes I think the lore has been abandoned

I have moved the thread now. No need for sarcasm. Did not notice it was in DD rather than Lore forums.

For future reference, the correct procedure is to report the thread, rather than post off topic posts in it asking for it to be moved.

 

[Wobblin-Gobblin]

Drew left...? Oh......ok, nothing to worry about

 

[Deleted member 38366]

The reason I ask this is because I was on Drew Wager's Twitter and he appears to be rather upset and somewhat disgruntled with Frontier. From what I understand he basically said The lore has been abandoned. It also seems he no longer plays anymore.

Has Fdev largely abandoned the original storyline or have they maybe decided they want to take it in a slightly different direction from Drew's ideas? Lore us one of the best parts of the game IMO.

Based on their own words (prior to injecting Thargoids as we have it know) - yes, they basically ignored everything that was lore but didn't fit their plans and tossed it overboard.
ELITE is currently operating in a parallel Universe where numerous key events of the established ELITE lore basically somehow didn't happen.

For all I can tell, Drew had other plans (strict adherence to lore, just the way we knew him) but naturally ran into conflict with FDev's own (far more simplistic or lore-inconsistent) plans, causing them to split.

PS.
I tend to believe one of the driving reasons could be that D.B. simply wants alot of parts cut-off that possibly came from Ian Bell's chest of ideas in the previous titles. Old rivalry after their old IP dispute.
Plus, it's (AFAIK) somewhat widely believed that while D.B. always was the right guy for the procedural and mechanics department (framework), it was Ian Bell who added alot of depth, soul and gameplay to it all.

What I'm seeing is essentially a brute-force adoption of ELITE for a typical modern monetization scheme, as found in many other titles in the modern gaming industry.
And business drives decisions, not the passion for the Game or its vast lore that'd offer itself to be exploited.
So if the lore stands in the way, it just loses out to easy/failsafe implementation to just make a feature work as FDev wants to implement it.

 

[zimms]

Pretty much all lore threads have been dropped except aliens. No word of any political players except:

"We must kill them all" - Hudson
"We will defend and prevail" - ALD
"Hm..." - Mahon

Back in the day we at least had some campaigning going on in the Federation and the whole succession story for the Empire. We had characters we knew and who mattered. Now it's "X has been killed, we will never forget his name. He will be replaced by Y."

FD has always been bad with lore and it looked like they just couldn't be bothered. Remember the days when e.g. an Imperial PMF could be added to a Federal system, giving them instant control?

 

[Thatchinho]

Drew and FD parted company after last Aprils Salome debacle. but I don't know why

Drew and others got subjected to a load of abuse from players after the event. This was exacerbated by certain people (primarily on youtube, but also on reddit and the forums) declaring themselves unveilers of 'the truth' and spreading a load of utter balls about what had happened, and false and defamatory allegations about Drew and others leading then to be subjected to further, completely baseless, vitriol and abuse.

That had a little something to do with it...

 

[Thatchinho]

the lore will telepresence in soon(tm) to explain how skimmers do what they do in a universe without AI.

There's no issues lore-wise for skimmers. It's specifically machine sentience that is a banned, not AI per se.

 

[Red Anders]

About covers it. I've noticed a pattern. Frontier has since started entertaining notions from not-the-forums. This is potentially not a bad thing in the slightest.

Depends. As someone who uses the game's official forum as my primary source of information about the game I think it's totally reasonable for them to access feedback from multiple sources; they'd be stupid not to. However I don't think running away from the official forums because they don't like what people have to say would be a particularly good look.

 

[gooddoc]

I have moved the thread now. No need for sarcasm. Did not notice it was in DD rather than Lore forums.

For future reference, the correct procedure is to report the thread, rather than post off topic posts in it asking for it to be moved.

My apologies rootsrat, my beef isn't with you personally, it's with the mods - who have suddenly started to move the threads on PP in open mode out of the DD forums, where it can't easily be seen.

No offence was intended against you or the thread.

 

[Thatchinho]

The communities reaction was rather poor. I tend to agree that the event wasn't any good, but that's probably as far as he could take it with the tools that FDEV had given him, which was basically none. The forums as usual insulted him for days and since that time I haven't seen him posting here which is a normal reaction to the crétins who are active on these boards. I am pretty sure Frontier would abandon their own forums as well if they could...

I would contest that when viewed through the appropriate contextual filters, specifically that it was a first attempt at doing something of that nature, the event was actually quite good.


It engaged a lot of people.

It was as balanced in terms of possible outcomes as it could reasonably be.

The stuff with PAC and the infiltration by SDC ended being a pretty good simulcrae of a hastily cobbled together alliance of disparate groups, and the vulnerabilities and exploitabilities thereof.

Opinions are obviously going to be varied in terms of the outcome, but I thought the non-fairy tale ending was the better ending.

Lots of things were potentially learnt about what could and couldn't be done with regard to technical capabilities.


Speaking personally it also provided a good use for Multi-crew. I put a shout-out on one of the forum threads and had someone join me via MC from out in the black who otherwise would have missed the event.

Two things with respect to Multi-Crew here:
- at a basic level, allowing someone to participate who couldn't have otherwise, is a good thing
- having a Navigator role would have been invaluable, as having to stop piloting to go to GalMap in a pressure scenario is not great, and with a Navigator looking after the route, the Pilot would be able to focus completely on flying.


The whole thing could have been built on, and we could have had more events which improved on the problematic areas.

Instead, we have had content creators driven from the game and have got 'Toxic - do not touch' warnings all over the idea of having events of this nature. It's a real shame.

 

[Thatchinho]

He did one thing wrong. He added the wizard boy to Salome's friend list. For someone who claimed they didn't care what the outcome of the whole thing was that will have looked to many like her death was intended.

And here is the issue. Many just see what they want to see.

Drew didn't say that he didn't care about the outcome. He said he wanted to make sure it was a balanced a playing field as possible so that it was player actions in the event that determined the outcome rather than his personal preference as an author.

Drew did the right things by accepting HP's friend request. Not doing so would have biased the outcome. Accepting all friend requests was the policy Drew applied and it was the only way for Drew to not bias the outcome.

Key reasons for this are:
- Being able to see the protagonists' location on Galmap was essential to the whole thing - if not they would have just jumped straight to their destination and there would have been no event - so everyone had to be provided with the same ability to view the location.
- If the protagonists were only friends with their protectors, then they would have only been instanced with friendly players, and there would have been no possibility of any attacks happening.

But yeah... people still say Drew did the wrong thing by accepting HP's friend request, and cite it as evidence that the death was intended...

 

[Rob At Work]

Drew rage quits and spits his dummy out - I might write a book which ends with Barry Trotter infiltrating his house because he gave him his alarm code and ......... (you'll have to me pay to find out the ending).

 

[Zed]

And here is the issue. Many just see what they want to see.

Drew didn't say that he didn't care about the outcome. He said he wanted to make sure it was a balanced a playing field as possible so that it was player actions in the event that determined the outcome rather than his personal preference as an author.

Drew did the right things by accepting HP's friend request. Not doing so would have biased the outcome. Accepting all friend requests was the policy Drew applied and it was the only way for Drew to not bias the outcome.

Key reasons for this are:
- Being able to see the protagonists' location on Galmap was essential to the whole thing - if not they would have just jumped straight to their destination and there would have been no event - so everyone had to be provided with the same ability to view the location.
- If the protagonists were only friends with their protectors, then they would have only been instanced with friendly players, and there would have been no possibility of any attacks happening.

But yeah... people still say Drew did the wrong thing by accepting HP's friend request, and cite it as evidence that the death was intended...

Sorry I was completely unaware that Drew was accepting all friend request on that account. Possibly because my request wasn't accepted.

 

[T1-Jafo]

Interesting - I think if anything it's accelerated quite a bit since the 3.0 release:
- more filling out of the background and personality of the Powerplay figureheads
- hints that the superpowers' support for Aegis is less then wholehearted
- a bunch of assassins with an unknown agenda and cover story
- Aisling Duval not having given up on winning the throne
- Thargoids searching INRA bases (for the vaccine?)
- Discovery (and weaponisation) of new Guardian tech


It feels like more has happened in the three months since 3.0 than happened in an entire year of Horizons

Fair enough, it does appear like more has happened in the past three months. I am simply frustrated, and would say I was thinking more along the lines of pre 3.0.
AW became executive producer in March. Perhaps the two are related. Maybe a better advertised of the delivery method(s) is needed. The weekly newsletter contains some information, but to me, it seems too concise.

Like someone mentioned earlier, I also miss the semi-regular dev updates.

 

[Vasious]

Sorry I was completely unaware that Drew was accepting all friend request on that account. Possibly because my request wasn't accepted.

Mine was and I was on the Anti Kahina side

 

[Ian Doncaster]

In another "not abandoned" moment ... they managed to get a Galnet article up acknowledging and incorporating the player BGS actions to overthrow Aegis Core within a few days of it happening.

Whether this is a pre-planned contingency for people using the BGS to attack Aegis, or just a quick reaction to an unexpected event, that's really good ... and a sign that the plot may not be quite as much "on rails" as some people think.

 

[zimms]

For the first time in years though.

Let's hope it's a sign that things going to speed up again in the near future. I was expecting the renaissance with the release of Galnet Audio, but that didn't happen.