Just checked. I got 238m, Inara was wrong (guess it will sync again). That means around 50m/h.
So, as it is, I agree the real payouts should not be nerfed.
My rank has followed the actual money and not the Vista Genomics values.
Have Vista Genomics gone mad?
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So, as it is, I agree the real payouts should not be nerfed.
My rank has followed the actual money and not the Vista Genomics values.
And yet mine did... Just over a billion to max out all Elite ranks... I presume then that a rank/payout correction has already occurred, and now we're just picking up the pieces...
What I was actually given for my 13 species (all first discoveries) was half the amount the Vista lady said was the first discovery bonus - so the first discovery ONLY divided by 2, i.e. 2 times the base amount (which she said she was giving me but didn't) and not the 4x base amount her screen showed.
This is the current status
I'd estimate to get that amount, without any faffing around, was about 8h
Sure, depends on luck too, but all in all it's a zero risk activity with no time pressure - which IMO pays above it's grade
However, while they're at it, they should upgrade the payouts for exploration (fss/dss)
I did that trip about 1700ly out of the bubble and - surprisingly enough - I got some first discoveries, including some WW, some HMC - but the pay was crap - 8-10 millions overall
This is the current status
I'd estimate to get that amount, without any faffing around, was about 8h
Sure, depends on luck too, but all in all it's a zero risk activity with no time pressure - which IMO pays above it's grade
I also got around 50m/h. Not sure that pays above its grade. You get more by trading which is similar risk.
If these numbers are true, they could x3/x4 first discoveries and exploration + Exo would be worth it (credit wise) in the black vs Bubble activities.
Case tonight:
1 system, binary, 13 planetary bodies (including 1 ELW and 2x HMC) - 6 millions including first discovery bonus (elw, 2x hmc and 1 rocky mapped too)
The same very system - the rocky body mentioned above had 8 bio signals - 108 millions value (including first discovery bonus)
Basically, tonight, in 4-5h, i visited like 10-12 systems and from 2 of them (1st had 4 bodies with 9,9, 8, 8 bio and the 2nd one is the one above with 8 bio) i got 150millions (+150 first discovery) + 137 millions = 437 millions
but even 100m/hour is not outrageous.. say compared to mining.
and I also think there is alot more variability in the RNG for exobiology (which is why we are seeing different reports)
my trip into the black recently, I think was about 30 systems, and I only saw one 7, and a few 4s ... and some of those were a long way out from the star.
... so I averaged , probably around 50m/h.. and for a pretty long trip!
(actually, probably taking into account the outward travel, it was likely even less)
so we will see some 'lucky' trips, where pay is high, but others where its not so great... on average, Id bet it pays no better than mining.
frankly, Im doing rescue missions in the war, and Im averaging around 50m/hour... and its much more reliably/routing than doing exobiology.
(and I think the same is true for mining, its much more consistent in payout)
so, overall, I think Fdev are in the ballpark with payouts.
I only think they need to up the ranking levels, perhaps double or even triple these.
But, frankly, id be surprised if they see this as a priority.
I think you might got a wrong idea about mining (it was nice back in 2019, it sux badly now)
And it is outrageous, since it can be done in the starter sidewinder with a tier 1 store-bought Artemis suit, and within a single evening you get access to Shinrarta (i assume the Exobio Elite rank works to unlock SD)
Indeed, guess i was lucky to settle in a random zone (1700ly from bubble) and to find, within the first 10 systems scanned one with 4 moons totaling 34 bio signals (9,9,8,8).
the payout for that system was 234 millions, double that with first discovery bonus.
Then, in the next 6 scanned systems i found another one with an Elw and a moon with 8 bio (54 millions without discovery bonus) - this entire system was tagged by me.
It was truly outrageous with 4x first discovery bonus, but it's still over the top as it is now.
Ofc, that's just my opinion and no one is forced in anyway to agree
100m/h... I thought I was getting this not so long ago with platinum/osmium
basically using an anaconda, which had something like 320T capacity, and was selling to a freighter into the same system (as rings) for around 240k.. , so that was something like 85m - and iirc, was able to fill in less than an hour.
( actually, I think the platinum price was a bit higher when I was trying, closer to 270k?, as I think I taking a small hit by giving to freighter... but worth it for time saving)
also, you dont get much less with something like a Python... IF you can deposit quickly to a local freighter (so your roundtrip time is kept very short)
all that said, it was a few months ago.. my numbers might be slightly out... within the ballpark iirc.
but the RNG is important... as the mining was really consistent, like within 5 minutes, to get that rate.
whereas my experience with exobiology so far is its pretty variable.
then again, I did get bored of mining, (an hour hitting rocks was pretty tedious
)
so, doing exobiology, even for less was a nice change up.. and you get to visit the worlds.
its also, why I switch over to the war effort, perhaps a bit less payout, but variation keeps things interesting.
anyway we will see.. my expectations are low that fdev will fundamentally change this much, perhaps just the ranking, and fix the UI - if we are lucky.
basically using an anaconda, which had something like 320T capacity, and was selling to a freighter into the same system (as rings) for around 240k.. , so that was something like 85m - and iirc, was able to fill in less than an hour.
( actually, I think the platinum price was a bit higher when I was trying, closer to 270k?, as I think I taking a small hit by giving to freighter... but worth it for time saving)
also, you dont get much less with something like a Python... IF you can deposit quickly to a local freighter (so your roundtrip time is kept very short)
all that said, it was a few months ago.. my numbers might be slightly out... within the ballpark iirc.
but the RNG is important... as the mining was really consistent, like within 5 minutes, to get that rate.
whereas my experience with exobiology so far is its pretty variable.
then again, I did get bored of mining, (an hour hitting rocks was pretty tedious
)so, doing exobiology, even for less was a nice change up.. and you get to visit the worlds.
its also, why I switch over to the war effort, perhaps a bit less payout, but variation keeps things interesting.
anyway we will see.. my expectations are low that fdev will fundamentally change this much, perhaps just the ranking, and fix the UI - if we are lucky.
Platinum laser mining using mapped mining, in a hotspot, in a haz res, in a pristine resource system (this combination is quite rare) will give about 500tons in like 30 minutes. Add in the time required to travel and sell (plus the fact that it takes 2h for the rocks to replenish) and we get close to 150 millions per hour every 2 hours.
So technically 75 millions per hour, sustained. (in the past i could easily do 200-250 millions per hour using random laser mining - i hate map mining, however mappers could easily do 500 millions per hour)
But that's just about the best gain with a top tier ship (Cutter), engineered and with a decently experienced pilot and in a very risky environment
Compare that with the safe, skill-less and not depending on equipment, gains resulted from exobio.
This is the main difference. Anything else requires some progression to unlock the high end credits / hour rates. It is probably the new (buffed) Road to Riches.
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You're spot on.
Spansh even added an exobio road-to-reaches plot option
It would be good if discovered systems gave low-average pay and undiscovered systems (both Exploration and Exo) gave x5 or x10. That way you need to get out of the Bubble, get a fairly decent exploration ship and do some early level unlocks (Booster + Farseer) to get similar level of pay than Bubble end activities
yeah, definitely a way to get started quickly...
but I've no issue with that, if a beginner wants to make cash fast, let them... it's their game/time.
Im not into the road to riches approach, but Ive no issue/disrespect for those that want to go that way, its their choice.
frankly, I think most though will get bored quickly of the petty basic gameplay loop of exobiology
*unless they are into the exploration/visiting planets side of it, in which case.. let them eat cake!
I'd love to see exobiology get a make over to make it more interesting, more variety, some 'tool support' (sensors, map markers),
then for sure, you can reduce the payouts
but I've no issue with that, if a beginner wants to make cash fast, let them... it's their game/time.
Im not into the road to riches approach, but Ive no issue/disrespect for those that want to go that way, its their choice.
frankly, I think most though will get bored quickly of the petty basic gameplay loop of exobiology
*unless they are into the exploration/visiting planets side of it, in which case.. let them eat cake!
I'd love to see exobiology get a make over to make it more interesting, more variety, some 'tool support' (sensors, map markers),
then for sure, you can reduce the payouts
Let’s all complain until it gets nerfed. Jeez…
Let’s all complain until it gets nerfed. Jeez…
It already happened.
The First discovery bonus is 1x instead of 4x as it apparently was in the first days.
I dont think it will suffer further nerfs
Hopefully an UI fix, so we get the real numbers on the VG screen
So bad. Happy to have cashed in at least one time on these extra bonus.
I think, that planets doesn't need flat boost.
They need moving true money from DSS to FSS.
FSS should be about discoveries and money.
DSS should be about showing heatmap of geo/bio signals.
It could boost exploration by big factor even without boost. Because FSS is much faster than flying to 10 planets and scanning them.
But outside this 1 change I'm in 1 boat with you- exploration definetely shouldnt pay hundreds millions "per hour", because it is only activity which isn't about short, hour sessions (so what now, I was on exploration for 2 months, definetely more than 100 hours. Should I get 10 billions for it?
.And it require practically nothing. You can do it in A rated sidey with artemis (https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threa...ter-of-the-galaxy.570554/page-3#post-10024399 )
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A drop in from the ship like the Mako in Mass Effect would work.