Powerplay How is Powerplay not open only yet?

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
So... no more 15% discount? I'm okay with that eh.
That's part of an existing pan-modal feature shared by all players - not a new feature yet to be added to the game....

.... and any player could dock at an LYR station in Solo or Private Group, log out, log back in in Open then buy what they wanted even if the discount was in some way made Open only, noting that there's no need to be pledged to Powerplay to benefit from the discount.
 
That's part of an existing pan-modal feature shared by all players - not a new feature yet to be added to the game....

.... and any player could dock at an LYR station in Solo or Private Group, log out, log back in in Open then buy what they wanted even if the discount was in some way made Open only, noting that there's no need to be pledged to Powerplay to benefit from the discount.
But you said that Open Only Powerplay should have no effect to the BGS.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
But you said that Open Only Powerplay should have no effect to the BGS.
I did indeed - I had incorrectly assumed that the bonus would only be removed from players in Solo and Private Groups / restricted to players in Open.

If it would be removed completely, along with the other bonuses, then it would indeed not affect the BGS, noting that an Elite rank is relatively easily come by and players can then access Jameson's Memorial for a 10% discount (plus the 2.5% for holding any Elite rank). Arguably the other Powerplay bonuses have the potential to have a more significant effect on the BGS - which is why they'd need to be removed as well.
 
I did indeed - I had incorrectly assumed that the bonus would only be removed from players in Solo and Private Groups / restricted to players in Open.

If it would be removed completely, along with the other bonuses, then it would indeed not affect the BGS, noting that an Elite rank is relatively easily come by and players can then access Jameson's Memorial for a 10% discount (plus the 2.5% for holding any Elite rank). Arguably the other Powerplay bonuses have the potential to have a more significant effect on the BGS - which is why they'd need to be removed as well.
What if it would be available for everybody? And we're not talking about Powerplay bonus here, I am talking about effects over security, market prices, black markets being opened/closed, discounts etc. Every player could benefit from them, it would just be the Powerplay people fighting for those systems, while the rest of the player base gets the pretty things.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
What if it would be available for everybody? And we're not talking about Powerplay bonus here, I am talking about effects over security, market prices, black markets being opened/closed, discounts etc. Every player could benefit from them, it would just be the Powerplay people fighting for those systems, while the rest of the player base gets the pretty things.
That'd be an Open only feature affecting those who can't affect it from their chosen game mode - which would seem to be more unfair than the current situation where we all affect game features equally (noting that those who choose to play in Open may be less efficient in affecting game features due to their choice to play among those players who may oppose them).
 
That'd be an Open only feature affecting those who can't affect it from their chosen game mode - which would seem to be more unfair than the current situation where we all affect game features equally (noting that those who choose to play in Open may be less efficient in affecting game features due to their choice to play among those players who may oppose them).
So no bonus is better than something that could benefit the community.

Ooooook.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
So no bonus is better than something that could benefit the community.

Ooooook.
If the bonus was available to all players, in all game modes, as a result of a feature that had no effect on the BGS, then there'd be no problem in my opinion - as all players could benefit from it.

However what was being proposed was "effects over security, market prices, black markets being opened/closed, discounts etc.", i.e. BGS effects - well in excess of a simple discount on ships and modules.
 
If the bonus was available to all players, in all game modes, as a result of a feature that had no effect on the BGS, then there'd be no problem in my opinion - as all players could benefit from it.

However what was being proposed was "effects over security, market prices, black markets being opened/closed, discounts etc.", i.e. BGS effects - well in excess of a simple discount on ships and modules.
Which is an effect to BGS nonetheless. So it should be gone as the others. It would be an advantage for local factions.
 
So we're agreed on no BGS effects from features that cannot be affected by all players regardless of game mode?
Well we do not actually, but you would renounce to the 15% discount for everybody.

But then you said you wouldn't because it would affect everybody as a bonus.

Is it maybe that you just are making differences because the discount is good for you too?
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Well we do not actually, but you would renounce to the 15% discount for everybody.
.... just as Open only proponents would renounce the ability for all players in Solo and Private Groups to affect game features.
But then you said you wouldn't because it would affect everybody as a bonus.
Tied in with specific local Faction effects, i.e. targeted BGS effects.
Is it maybe that you just are making differences because the discount is good for you too?
The discount is only 5% more than that available at Jameson Memorial - and the stations where it is offered lack the convenience of the availability of all ships and modules.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Sometimes I feel some people only argue out of spite.
Some who consider that players in modes other than Open should have no ability to affect particular game features often come across as spiteful when they seek to restrict shared content to their preferred game mode.
 
.... just as Open only proponents would renounce the ability for all players in Solo and Private Groups to affect game features.

Tied in with specific local Faction effects, i.e. targeted BGS effects.

The discount is only 5% more than that available at Jameson Memorial - and the stations where it is offered lack the convenience of the availability of all ships and modules.
Ok so no discount to LYR and you are ok with that. Noted. And funny.
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Ok so no discount to LYR and you are ok with that. Noted. And funny.
There are more Powerplay benefits than LYR's discount - they'd need to go too.

.... and not "ok with that" in relation to Powerplay - as the premise involves removing the effects of players in Solo and Private Groups on an existing pan-modal game feature. Happy enough if a new feature was added that didn't affect players who don't play in Open in any way though, i.e. no effects on the BGS, CGs, etc..
 
There are more Powerplay benefits than LYR's discount - they'd need to go too.

.... and not "ok with that" in relation to Powerplay - as the premise involves removing the effects of players in Solo and Private Groups on an existing pan-modal game feature. Happy enough if a new feature was added that didn't affect players who don't play in Open in any way though, i.e. no effects on the BGS, CGs, etc..
Oh yeah of course. And while we are in, why don't we eliminate any "graphical effect", you know, a player could be somehow shocked by being in Kumo Crew jurisdiction and it would make them mad if they read in their station menu they are not under an (for example) imperial faction.

It could hurt their feelings. :p
 

Robert Maynard

Volunteer Moderator
Oh yeah of course. And while we are in, why don't we eliminate any "graphical effect", you know, a player could be somehow shocked by being in Kumo Crew jurisdiction and it would make them mad if they read in their station menu they are not under an (for example) imperial faction.

It could hurt their feelings. :p
The station Faction is BGS controlled - which all players can affect.
 
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