General / Off-Topic How many ppl have already dumped windows 10 from their computer

One of the more alarming developments with Apple is that it is turning off phones whose owners have dared to have unauthorised repairs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35502030

http://www.theguardian.com/money/20...e-update-handset-worthless-third-party-repair

This is a lot more serious than it may first appear. It means that manufacturers can hold users to ransom, forcing them to do almost anything.

I honestly don't understand the reluctance of software developers, game software in particular, adopting Linux. I did briefly look at SteamOS and it was essentially advertising, demanding money and so on.

But the fact that the major software companies have shunned Linux does suggest somehting more.

Apple and M$ have sewn up the world between them and we seem to be screwed. Unless the US takes some action as it did with Standard Oil 100 years ago, I can't really see any way out.

Okay you should read the articles a bit closer. Now first I am NOT an Apple person - in fact I own 0 Apple products and NEVER will... Will NEVER give $0.01 to anything associated with the sociopath that was Steve Jobs.

The reason the phones get the Error 53 is because the repair is done INCORRECTLY. The touch sensor is part of the screen, and if the screen is replaced and the new sensor is not "associated" (for lack of a better term) with the phone then it does not work. This is in order to maintain security of the device. Repairs CAN be done by a 3rd party - just don't take it to some bloke on the corner running a repair business out of a van. And it DOES NOT have to be an Apple store either, a reputable repair shop will have the right bit of kit do things right.
 
Okay you should read the articles a bit closer. Now first I am NOT an Apple person - in fact I own 0 Apple products and NEVER will... Will NEVER give $0.01 to anything associated with the sociopath that was Steve Jobs.

The reason the phones get the Error 53 is because the repair is done INCORRECTLY. The touch sensor is part of the screen, and if the screen is replaced and the new sensor is not "associated" (for lack of a better term) with the phone then it does not work. This is in order to maintain security of the device. Repairs CAN be done by a 3rd party - just don't take it to some bloke on the corner running a repair business out of a van. And it DOES NOT have to be an Apple store either, a reputable repair shop will have the right bit of kit do things right.

Nope.

A spokeswoman said: "When an iPhone is serviced by an unauthorised repair provider, faulty screens or other invalid components that affect the touch ID sensor could cause the check to fail if the pairing cannot be validated.
"With a subsequent update or restore, additional security checks result in an 'error 53' being displayed."

“The problem occurs if the repairer changes the home button or the cable. Following the software upgrade the phone in effect checks to make sure it is still using the original components, and if it isn’t, it simply locks out the phone. There is no warning, and there’s no way that I know of to bring it back to life.”

And:
“The error hasn’t occurred because I broke my phone (it was working fine for 10 months). I lost all my data because of this error.

Apple charges £236 for a repair to the home button on an iPhone 6 in the UK, while an independent repairer would demand a fraction of that.
 
I'm so glad I put win 10 on a second drive. It won't be used again till support for Win 7 dies.
THere was some confusion between my wife and me about whether 10 should be downloaded, so one day, I just clicked on the prompt and let it happen. The interface looked kind of cute, and when I plugged in my Fire phone, it downloaded pics and videos automatically (which was nice).

But then, when I tried to put a pic on Twitter, it was a fail. All text, no pic. Same with Facebook. I told the wife about this, and she asked why on earth I'd installed 10? It sucked generally, apparently. So I said okay, can I just re-install the old OS? Not that simple, apparently. Plus, it might cause problems for Elite, which I've just bought and installed, so best to leave it. I use my older computer for sending pics and vids to the net, although it's short of USB connections, and doesn't seem to be reading the portable drive at all at the moment...
 
So I said okay, can I just re-install the old OS? Not that simple, apparently.

If you do the update install from earlier Windows, you have about a month to undo that upgrade and it'll roll back to how it was before. It is a fairly quick operation when I tried it once, and took about 5 minutes. I don't know what happens to anything you install after the update, but assume it will be lost and need a reinstall.
 
There are a few compelling reasons for Frontier to now reconsider a port to Linux for Elite.

Although Windows has the lion's share of the market for gaming, this will change very soon. Linux Kernel has about 1.78%, but this will also change soon.

Windows 10 is "the last Windows OS", so says Microsoft. Windows 10 will only run on the new sixth generation processors, so says Microsoft, Intel, AMD and QualComm. Windows 10 Eula and Microsoft's arm twisting to get Windows 7/8 users to submit to an upgrade most have said they do not want. A Windows 10 Eula which includes an all inclusive personal data grab, including anything on your box or in the cloud. <(provided you accept the Eula and License agreement.) Windows 7/8 will only run on hardware it was designed for, but not the new sixth generation hardware. Windows 10 will also prevent dual-booting to any Linux Distro or other OS, with Windows 10 Safe-Lock boot scheme. Windows 10 is now a "Service", not a "Product".
I have to wonder where you got your information, no, windows 10 will not 'only run' on new sixth generation processors, you've misunderstood the information.
It's been said that windows versions earlier then 10 will no longer be compatible (as in they will not get) cpu drivers for cpu's after skylake.

And with the Eula, no, you cannot sign away your stuff like that, your stuff is your stuff, however what it does cover as I wrote previously, is that if you use any microsoft product, then it will need to gather certain information in order to give you certain functions, if you do not use these functions, then it won't gather any data.
On dual booting, it works just fine so again unsure where you get your information from.

As for windows 10 being a service and not a product, that is a gray area that at least as I have seen, if you pay for something and get a physical product dvd then it is a product and you are entitled to be able to use that product as it is delivered to you as time of purchase, what microsoft can do, is not provide you certain services unless you pay, however again that's a gray area as 'critical' updates would be required by law, non critical would not. So yeah at least in EU the consumer is fairly well protected.
And honestly it is NOT in microsoft's interest to actively spy on their users, what information is gathered is gathered for a reason.

People seem to forget that siri on iphone has access to ALL your stuff, and collects that data. Siri does so, because if it didn't it wouldn't work the way advertised.
It is the exact same thing with windows 10.
If you want to use cortana? cortana needs to collect and analyze your voice and what you say to better understand you, needs calendar and whatnot to be able to access that.
windows mail gives access to your mail, it collects and handles the data gotten from the mail server.

So yeah, also remember it is ONLY with microsoft products that come with windows they can do this, they cannot 'invade' other apps and get what they are doing (unless the app talks to windows), doing so would be illegal hacking of such apps. It can't gather your credit card or anything from chrome or whatnot, and even in edge it only asks if it should save it for completion, of which you should definitely say no.

Heck facebook is a hundred times worse then windows 10, and facebook's support on that matter is hilariously bad, most likely because facebook is entirely optional and people give out their information gladly.

So yeah...relax, and don't listen to those that blow it out of proportions, if microsoft ever was found to actually be spying on you, as in reading exactly what you were writing and whatnot, and 'actually' invaded your privacy, they would end up in a world of trouble at least in EU.

Microsoft has acknowledged that there are spying options which you cannot turn off.

I have it on my laptop I don't use much but like heck are they putting it on my desktop.
Elaborate and please provide source for this knowledge, and what this 'spying' actually is?
 
I got Skylake PC components for Christmas

Same here and since i Only use that Machine for Gaming who cares about Data? Gogle does it, Appel does it and now Microsoft also.

At work i we have no option to change to Win10 because Volume Licences are not for free so 900 PC´s stay with Win7 till 2020
 
I'm so glad I put win 10 on a second drive. It won't be used again till support for Win 7 dies.

I intentionally bought my current PC before they made windoze 10 compulsory. Win 7 and glad it's not higher.
If only I could tell the stupid thing to stop offering me a free LoseDOS 10 upgrade.
 
what microsoft can do, is not provide you certain services unless you pay, however again that's a gray area as 'critical' updates would be required by law, non critical would not. So yeah at least in EU the consumer is fairly well protected.
And honestly it is NOT in microsoft's interest to actively spy on their users, what information is gathered is gathered for a reason.

The updates are the real scam since it its these that M$ uses to argue that the OS is a service.

These are, for the most part, entirely unnecessary, as evidence by the experiences of those who turned them off, (pre W10).

Moreover, since almost every update and especially the critical updates, is accompanied by a note saying that an issue has arisen which makes this problem or other, possible, then these updates are correcting flaws, much like, for example, a car manufacturer, recalling faulty brakes, even when none of few have actually failed.

This scam succeeded simply because none of us, literally, can afford to take M$ to court. As long as they err toward the angels, the courts will be open to arguments which will cost more than any of us can ever afford.

The precedent set by Apple, to literally disable the entire device when someone does something, which it doesn't like, (ie, looses money) is much more ominous and frankly, in a few years, we are all going to find ourselves held to ransom over this. Today, it's unauthorised repairs. Next it unauthorised parts?

We're walking down a very dark road here. We have been priced out of the law. Computers have become so important to our daily lives and those controlling them have become so powerful.
 
My ladyfriend bought a gaming laptop last week, which came with W10 pre-installed. I was very dubious about it at first, but as an operating system it seems quite good. Stable, easy to use once I'd adjusted to it, and with some quite good features.

I am unaware of the more sinister machinations of the modern IT world so I can't really comment on that.
 
The only issue I've had really - that I've noticed in the few weeks since I upgraded my laptop - is that when I plug into the TV via HDMI the sound no longer goes through the TV.

Having googled it a bit it seems to be a known issue - it is a PITA.

But that aside seems ok.
 
I intentionally bought my current PC before they made windoze 10 compulsory. Win 7 and glad it's not higher.
If only I could tell the stupid thing to stop offering me a free LoseDOS 10 upgrade.

The Win10 upgrade offer is provided through a package installed through WindowsUpdates. You can search online to look up exactly which one it, as you're far from the first to want to remove it. Uninstall it, then hide it from the update list to prevent it from installing again.

Then, you can be a little extra careful and review the descriptions for future updates in case they try to roll it down in a different one. Also note some updates make changes to the system to support the update to Win10, and nothing more. So arguably you don't need those either. In general, it is safe to install updates with a description saying "security update". If it just says "update", it could do anything and you'd have to click through to see what it does.

Personally I have disabled automatic updates on all my Win7 systems, and review them before installing. The main MS patch day is the 2nd Tuesday of each month.
 
My ladyfriend bought a gaming laptop last week, which came with W10 pre-installed. I was very dubious about it at first, but as an operating system it seems quite good. Stable, easy to use once I'd adjusted to it, and with some quite good features.

I am unaware of the more sinister machinations of the modern IT world so I can't really comment on that.

http://www.theguardian.com/money/20...e-update-handset-worthless-third-party-repair

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35502030

Previously posted, but now on an earlier page.
 
There are a few compelling reasons for Frontier to now reconsider a port to Linux for Elite.

Although Windows has the lion's share of the market for gaming, this will change very soon. Linux Kernel has about 1.78%, but this will also change soon.

Good Lord! You Linux people have been singing that song for decades, don't you get tired? It's not going to change. You're starting to sound like those Mayan End of the World prophecies. It's going to happen in 1990, no 95, no 2000!, no 08, 2016....
 
Good Lord! You Linux people have been singing that song for decades, don't you get tired? It's not going to change. You're starting to sound like those Mayan End of the World prophecies. It's going to happen in 1990, no 95, no 2000!, no 08, 2016....

Ha ha, exactly what I was thinking! :D
 
On dual booting, it works just fine so again unsure where you get your information from.

The confusion seems to stem from changes in Microsoft's terms surrounding 'Safe Boot' in UEFI bios. Previously Microsoft required manufacturers of pre-installed Windows PCs to have Safe Boot on by default, but to provide an option to disable Safe Boot. Some time ago they changed the terms to allow manufacturers to lock Safe Boot on, so that other OSes can't be installed. Presumably this change was mainly to accommodate businesses that want their machines locked down as tight as possible.

There's no requirement to block other OSes from being installed though, and if you build your own PC, Windows 10 has zero control over what goes on in your bios.
 
The confusion seems to stem from changes in Microsoft's terms surrounding 'Safe Boot' in UEFI bios. Previously Microsoft required manufacturers of pre-installed Windows PCs to have Safe Boot on by default, but to provide an option to disable Safe Boot. Some time ago they changed the terms to allow manufacturers to lock Safe Boot on, so that other OSes can't be installed. Presumably this change was mainly to accommodate businesses that want their machines locked down as tight as possible.

There's no requirement to block other OSes from being installed though, and if you build your own PC, Windows 10 has zero control over what goes on in your bios.

I built mine and the BIOS is more confusing than judges opinion is the trial of a politician.
 
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