You stopped doing well in your first post by becoming me Actually, You've bored me now, resurrect it all in late March 2021 and we'll see.
How "Space Legs" should be implemented (in my opinion)
- Thread starter Katie Byrne
- Start date
You stopped doing well in your first post by becoming me Actually, You've bored me now, resurrect it all in late March 2021 and we'll see.
![[VR] Orodruin](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/237/237188.jpg?1614840532){kind=avatar}
You are the one claiming the possibility of providing station gravity through plating. This means that the burden of proof is on you.
For the spherical shell mass distribution, take rho(r) = constant in a thin spherical shell of radius R and thickness D<<R. Gauss law for any Gaussian sphere with radius r<R then gives an enclosed mass of zero and hence zero gravitational field. This is a basic example that would be presented in first-year university physics.
Lol like I said dude it's just an opinion. I doubt VR is going away thoguh and your vitriol could be interpreted as bitterness over not having VR yourself.
Just saying
Has anyone else played the Zero-G VR game Lone Echo?
Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZGywm3Mdao
Personally I would love it if Space Legs was implemented in this way(In space at least)
Would make a very immersive addition to the game. Just my opinion and granted, you'd really need VR for it to work but still. Would be very cool
Very fun game - they did a great job with the zero g stuff
why we need new game modes and mechanic if our greatest dev of all time give us 3 new paintjob every week?
OP, way cool. Is this game PC only ?
Sadly I tihnk it is. IIRC it's an Oculus platform exclusive
I think the should implemented starting with a hip. Then a thigh. Then a knee, followed by a shin. Then the foot, and finally, the all important toes complete the build. Those components in that order should provide satisfactory locomotion when installed in pairs... lol
Lone Echo is an enjoyable game and I would love to see a similar mechanism in Elite Feet. I don't think it will happen though: in game lore is that the smaller ships are zero-G because of excessive energy requirements make it non-viable so it could happen but the game also has "mag boots" in lore as well. If I were to take a guess, there will be a normal walking motion with the ability to make longer jumps onboard your own ships compared to on a starport.
Just a guess though.
Just a guess though.
If we’re just going on lore / early design ideas, then they do talk about suit thrusters:
And concept art suggests their use for EVA (see the character Superman-ing off to the right):
Gotta EVA somehow
We don't need to EVA to repair now that we have repair limpetsIf we’re just going on lore / early design ideas, then they do talk about suit thrusters:
And concept art suggests their use for EVA (see the character Superman-ing off to the right):
Gotta EVA somehow
Source: https://youtu.be/bB4Yn23YX1E
But seriously, good points raised. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
If i had to take a guess, i would suspect VR as it relates to elite feet would be on par with SRV VR.
Visuals:
The helmet of the Remlock suit would give the VR user a stationary frame of reference to counter motion sickness.
Perhaps an option to remove the helmet when in an appropriate environment for those who can stomach the free movement.
Movement:
Three locomotion modes a user can toggle between -All controls would closely resemble SRV controls. Forward, Backwards, and turn, A boost (leap) with tilt and pitch. (perhaps adding a strafe)
Magnetic Boots: The character walks upright, with normal orientation. (Very much like SRV's with way less drifting and flipping over)
Auto Reaction Control System: Six degrees of freedom that auto-correct for spin and rotation. (FA On)
Manual RCS: Six degrees of freedom that do not auto-correct spin and rotation (FA OFF)
Stations with simulated gravity, planet surface: Would function as if using magnetic boots. The character walks upright, with normal orientation. Surface gravity would affect "bounce" like it does with SRV
Small stations, Ships, Carriers, Capital ships: The player can choose any of the three locomotion type.
Space walks, EVA: The player can choose between ARCS or MRCS only. unless "autosnaping" to the exterior of a ship/station to activate magnetic boots is a thing.
Combat:
I suspect this to be the weakest aspect in VR with no motion controller support.
They could use a stationary weapon with cross hairs that are controlled by manual input.
Or preferred when combat "mode" is activated, VR head movement translate to the weapons movements. for a lack of better reference, acting like a turret
With all standard movement controls remaining the same.
Visuals:
The helmet of the Remlock suit would give the VR user a stationary frame of reference to counter motion sickness.
Perhaps an option to remove the helmet when in an appropriate environment for those who can stomach the free movement.
Movement:
Three locomotion modes a user can toggle between -All controls would closely resemble SRV controls. Forward, Backwards, and turn, A boost (leap) with tilt and pitch. (perhaps adding a strafe)
Magnetic Boots: The character walks upright, with normal orientation. (Very much like SRV's with way less drifting and flipping over)
Auto Reaction Control System: Six degrees of freedom that auto-correct for spin and rotation. (FA On)
Manual RCS: Six degrees of freedom that do not auto-correct spin and rotation (FA OFF)
Stations with simulated gravity, planet surface: Would function as if using magnetic boots. The character walks upright, with normal orientation. Surface gravity would affect "bounce" like it does with SRV
Small stations, Ships, Carriers, Capital ships: The player can choose any of the three locomotion type.
Space walks, EVA: The player can choose between ARCS or MRCS only. unless "autosnaping" to the exterior of a ship/station to activate magnetic boots is a thing.
Combat:
I suspect this to be the weakest aspect in VR with no motion controller support.
They could use a stationary weapon with cross hairs that are controlled by manual input.
Or preferred when combat "mode" is activated, VR head movement translate to the weapons movements. for a lack of better reference, acting like a turret
With all standard movement controls remaining the same.
This just made me wish SRV turret motion could be controlled by head motion ...
That's my main concern too. I'm blind with a VR headset on and I don't want to have to fumble about for a controller every time I stand up. So I hope I can walk around with my HOTAS.
Oh my god that would be such less hassle than having to use one of the hats on my HOTAS!
I would still bind turret rotation somewhere (I don’t want to turn my neck 270 degrees), but it would be awesome for fine adjustments. Currently I am using the joystick on the back of the T16000m throttle for turret control. It could be more precise ...Oh my god that would be such less hassle than having to use one of the hats on my HOTAS!
Deleted member 110222
D
Not really. Like you say, that's your opinion. However, I know how I feel myself and that's a fact. Unless you can read my mind?
And how I feel is I don;t really care much as I barely play these days and after the Great Casual Carrier Update(tm) I am not sure if I will even continue to play. I barely do as it is.
Yes, the fact that Carriers are now going to be rather trivial to acquire and run really does make me a tad bitter. Because it pretty much destroyed any hope I had that this game can have real endgame content. I still favour the original version of Beta. Yes I know that puts me in a minority.
![[VR] Dr Gentech](https://forums-cdn.zaonce.net/data/avatars/m/175/175740.jpg?1623198898){kind=avatar}
Yeah I suspect so too. It's the option with the most precedence in other games. It just seems so un-Elite... In this hypothetical, I think a lot of people's response would be "You can turn off the flight assist computer or your literal shields that keep your ship from blowing up but you can't turn off the magnet in your boots like you can in every sci-fi work featuring magboots?"
It just seems so unrealistic and lacking in customisation options, which judging by the pains they went to to make the SRV gameplay horrible in the name of realism and QWOP levels of component control seems essentially unlike Elite.
Actually, I think the SRV is a decent indicator. Frontier didn't half-ash the SRV's mechanics, as much as I dislike them, they grounded them very strongly in lore-appropriate realism and made them mechanically as complex as a realistic semi-automated rover would be. I don't think that's significantly less work than making space legs include realistic response to gravity including zero g would be. Space legs will include much more animation work (Elite is extremely light on any animation, especially deforming rather than hard body animation, currently), but we know Frontier can do animation quite well because of their other current games so I'm not worried about their ability to do that. Hand physics for VR would be extra work but I really hope they do it.