[IDEA] What about a community driven "CMDRs to avoid" list..
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Goose4291
Banned
Bad, bad idea.
A lack of oversight and clear definitions would lead to individuals and collectives using this to put people on what is effectively a name and shame list and thats before we get into the murky realm of whoever controls it using it for the obvious purpose of slandering/tarring the opposing groups to get the unknowing public community to fight their wars for them.
A lack of oversight and clear definitions would lead to individuals and collectives using this to put people on what is effectively a name and shame list and thats before we get into the murky realm of whoever controls it using it for the obvious purpose of slandering/tarring the opposing groups to get the unknowing public community to fight their wars for them.
1)List of criminals and other bad people? Is not that a good thing?
Defenseless traders will be able to know who they can trust to escort them and who to avoid: more players in Open for more fun. Is not that a good thing?
2)I think it's called "politics".
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Goose4291
Banned
What defines a criminal? Having a large bounty on your head? Because if so, anyone who works the Background sim could fall victim to this kind of thing.
Again, the definition of criminal would be the problem, because you don't know half the story. Commander A (Trader) is at loggerheads with Commander B ('murderer') who stumbles on him in open and incenerates them. The moderating party doesn't know this, and labels commander B with this social pariah tag, because all they've seen is the "I'm innocent in all this your honour' evidence submitted by A.
It is. However, giving a moderating group the ability to label someone social pariah because they happen to have an axe to grind against someone or another group and passing it off as something the general public should consider gospel is not the way to go.
Group politics should evolve from Game mechanics, not the other way around.
Exactly. As far as I'm concerned I say bring on the witch hunts. I think we should put together a blacklist of anybody that sneezes wrong and make weekly holidays out of looking for them in open in wings armed with pitchforks and torches and killing them everywhere they go. I mean...isn't that what PvP is all about?
There is some bit of sarcasm in what I'm saying, but not a lot.
It's a 'no' from me, OP.
In common with several other posters, while I clearly see the good intention behind the idea, the reality would be wide open to abuse, or just plain misunderstanding.
Other ideas, such as Intergalactic Bounties, better C&P mechanics, etc, can all help in terms of ganking/griefing commanders. However, the combat loggers present a different problem, which as I understand it is complicated by the P2P architecture.
The so-called 'graceful exit' is indeed part of the game, although to me, at least, it seems a rather shameful thing to do. Perhaps the best we can do right now is lead by example. I got blown up in my Clipper at the CG a few nights ago; it didn't occur to me to exit to menu/desktop. I was playing in Open and that is a risk which one should just accept. If I'd logged out, it wouldn't just be doing a disservice to the other Commander, but it would be doing myself a disservice.
Rather than make lists of Commanders who log or grief, I'd rather see a roll of honour, for Commanders who choose to behave honourably.
In common with several other posters, while I clearly see the good intention behind the idea, the reality would be wide open to abuse, or just plain misunderstanding.
Other ideas, such as Intergalactic Bounties, better C&P mechanics, etc, can all help in terms of ganking/griefing commanders. However, the combat loggers present a different problem, which as I understand it is complicated by the P2P architecture.
The so-called 'graceful exit' is indeed part of the game, although to me, at least, it seems a rather shameful thing to do. Perhaps the best we can do right now is lead by example. I got blown up in my Clipper at the CG a few nights ago; it didn't occur to me to exit to menu/desktop. I was playing in Open and that is a risk which one should just accept. If I'd logged out, it wouldn't just be doing a disservice to the other Commander, but it would be doing myself a disservice.
Rather than make lists of Commanders who log or grief, I'd rather see a roll of honour, for Commanders who choose to behave honourably.
Hey guys, thanks for the ideas and this is why I polled you guys before I went along and released it.
Remember, this is NOT a bounty board and will not be used to witch hunt players. Think of this as a warning device.
Scenario - You're in a CG trying to trade metals to the station, suddenly you see a wing of four FDLs jump into the station's instance that you're docked in. You go to the surface to scan these combat ships that are in a trade CG. "Who the heck is Silk? And why is he floating outside the station?" You ask. Well you could simply ctrl-f this list and find out that Silk was reported to the list for station ganking at your CG in an FDL, his group affiliation is Adele's Armadillo (a known armadillo based terror organization) and his known associates in his wing are also on the same list for the same thing.
Now, like I said, this list is NOT for putting bounties on players heads.. It's more of like a thrudds trading tool of hostile CMDRs. Being on it is not like a badge of honor as to be on a KOS or bounty list, there is no prestige in this for these players.. In fact if will just made more people avoid them. Just to be clear, I would LOVE it if FDEV came out with something official like this list, but the system bounty board doesn't cut it for this purpose as most players on the system only bounty boards are there for NPC farming, not player hostility.
There is a beta version of this tool at the bottom of adlesarmada.com that has been running forca long time to some very good success. Feel free to check it out!
Remember, this is NOT a bounty board and will not be used to witch hunt players. Think of this as a warning device.
Scenario - You're in a CG trying to trade metals to the station, suddenly you see a wing of four FDLs jump into the station's instance that you're docked in. You go to the surface to scan these combat ships that are in a trade CG. "Who the heck is Silk? And why is he floating outside the station?" You ask. Well you could simply ctrl-f this list and find out that Silk was reported to the list for station ganking at your CG in an FDL, his group affiliation is Adele's Armadillo (a known armadillo based terror organization) and his known associates in his wing are also on the same list for the same thing.
Now, like I said, this list is NOT for putting bounties on players heads.. It's more of like a thrudds trading tool of hostile CMDRs. Being on it is not like a badge of honor as to be on a KOS or bounty list, there is no prestige in this for these players.. In fact if will just made more people avoid them. Just to be clear, I would LOVE it if FDEV came out with something official like this list, but the system bounty board doesn't cut it for this purpose as most players on the system only bounty boards are there for NPC farming, not player hostility.
There is a beta version of this tool at the bottom of adlesarmada.com that has been running forca long time to some very good success. Feel free to check it out!
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I think you should add me to the list!
To be honest, that probably wouldn't help the op out much
http://thecodeelitedangerous.enjin.com/wanted
Its a nice idea........ but it wont work.
Faction A is expanding into another system, faction B wants to stop them , but faction A does'nt like the opposition and decides to list faction B players on the 'griefers, loggers and PITA" board
Thus faction A wins, and faction B gets shot down in flames by faction C who just want the bonus cash
Bill
<<<belongs to faction Z ... the one nobody else wants to be in [sad]
Faction A is expanding into another system, faction B wants to stop them , but faction A does'nt like the opposition and decides to list faction B players on the 'griefers, loggers and PITA" board
Thus faction A wins, and faction B gets shot down in flames by faction C who just want the bonus cash
Bill
<<<belongs to faction Z ... the one nobody else wants to be in [sad]
Fdev should put a black box that will record positions , guns deployed- fired and opponents position name ship etc just before you die so you can send the info if you think is an griefer attack and let them decide.
E.g. if you get an attack in a sidewinder rookie with your landing gear down close to a dock usually is a griefer
E.g. if you get an attack in a sidewinder rookie with your landing gear down close to a dock usually is a griefer
I would only welcome an ingame solution to tis problematic you see.
Why not have guilds, or even the pilot's federation release a monthly report on licensed pilots and their latest
journeys?
This would add a lot to the game, especially for player bounty hunting, as people can read up on the behaviour
of the pilots (where they roam, which systems/ what they do (trade, bounty hunt, piracy, murder ...).
I highly dislike a list marking players as either griefers or pirates,
what about traders, bounty hunters, etc?
Why not have guilds, or even the pilot's federation release a monthly report on licensed pilots and their latest
journeys?
This would add a lot to the game, especially for player bounty hunting, as people can read up on the behaviour
of the pilots (where they roam, which systems/ what they do (trade, bounty hunt, piracy, murder ...).
I highly dislike a list marking players as either griefers or pirates,
what about traders, bounty hunters, etc?
I'm telling you, I cannot STAND armadillos or their terrorist leanings.
You should PM one of our members about it as this is a zero tolerance thing with us. That said, if you used Inara.CZ to look him up and deduce he was AA it is important to note that we accept everyone on Inara, it is NOT a member list, it is everyone who has inquired about us or wants to follow what we are doing.
I find this sinister and troubling.
Its a very bad idea which amounts to a witch hunt and player blacklisting. If I ever found my commmander name there you and I would be getting to know one another in a court room and I can assure you, you would end up being a lot poorer. I'd be very careful where you go with this because I think you'll be opening yourself up to a world of difficulties.
Don't do it, its not nessersary. If players are breaking the EULA or TOS thats something Frontier should address if they see fit.
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Jenner
I wish I was English like my hero Tj.
Your bounty is apparently 1 ton of scrap. lol.
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
Yeah. It was 5,000,000,000 Cr at one point (I have a screenshot for posterity) but then it was pointed out just how long they would be transfering cargo to pay that off........
Aaah. So that's why they're always banging on about player to player credit transfers. It's all your fault, Ian.