That's not true. If you avoid starter systems, CGs and powerplay HQs, You'll hardly meet anyone hostile. I didn't. In one and a half years.
[IDEA] What about a community driven "CMDRs to avoid" list..
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That's not true. If you avoid starter systems, CGs and powerplay HQs, You'll hardly meet anyone hostile. I didn't. In one and a half years.
Given missions are already being overhauled, what's to stop CMDRs being added to in-game bounty jobs or missions if their criminal activities are considerable (arguably, wouldn't that up the challenge for those who dabble in the dark side? win-win). It can be the start of improved crime and punishment.
Anything else that's public and can take public submissions is just legitimising a witch hunt, by a militia with questionable ethics, that could be confused for trying to drum up more business (I am sure this isn't the case, right?).
tl;dr: This can actually be dealt with better in-game; where it belongs. Frontier can't avoid a crime and punishment overhaul forever.
Anything else that's public and can take public submissions is just legitimising a witch hunt, by a militia with questionable ethics, that could be confused for trying to drum up more business (I am sure this isn't the case, right?).
tl;dr: This can actually be dealt with better in-game; where it belongs. Frontier can't avoid a crime and punishment overhaul forever.
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You say that as if it's a bad thing ...
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The list would benefit from being able to give positive feedback. So if people have a grudge against you and you are actually a nice person, then there will be plenty of people willing to counter the negative feedback. It works with Amazon reviews.
And if the list isn't reputable, then you could always have other people create their own list. It would be in the interests of the list compiler to make find a way to make it useful.
Goose4291
Banned
The problem extends out exponentially at this point, fair enough with someone like SDC or CODE (who are known badboys and proud of it) but what happens when a player group which moderates this 'canon' bad players list has an issue with another group, so to tarnish their name/rep they put all the known members on there to try to make them look like villains of the piece and/or give them bad rep with the community.
It's Internet Space Politics 101. I find it odd that in a game where people so vehemently don't want the good elements of Eve to be incorporated into this game, they want the bad elements like this.
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Not had any problem at the Power Play HQ I where I keep some of my ships (I am not aligned to a power) so you may be able to adjust that to CGs and starter systems.
I see your point, people that are perhaps the enemies of certain groups are not necessarily public enemies.. I also think that interdicting and attacking a member of our group (even if done 4v1 etc) should not earn you a place on such a list (although of course do it enough and you may end up on private KOS lists etc). Personally I favor the idea that only video evidence should be acceptable, that video evidence should be linked to the list so that people can judge for themselves and that our own group should only be able to submit people to the public list if we have video of them cheating or attacking sideys in end game ships..
well.. the goons from EVE is already a major group by your own words hmm?
( UPDATE: Diamondfrogs (aka the Goons) are now taking CI's place.)
( UPDATE: Diamondfrogs (aka the Goons) are now taking CI's place.)
The result would be the usual forums fight. Highly entertaining if the participants are good*, boring if not. In the end nothing will change.
The best way to destroy a player group is simply to wait long enough - sooner or later they all stumble over the egos of their members.
Edit: *) good at forum fights, not good as in "morally good" or "good guys/gals"
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Goose4291
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Well they are and they aren't (Goons from Eve are not Goons in everything, it's just a term used to describe any player group born out of the Something Awful Forums).
But that's beside the point: You're mentioning the name of a player group (without explaining further), whereas I am pointing out the issues that such a mechanic, (which would be regarded as an official universe wide accepted name and shame list) who's controllers have no oversight, would present.
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I think the only player group that could get into serious problems would be the group that makes such a list. Other player groups won't trust that list, the group that publishes the list will get opposition form all sides and in the end they will lose all credibility they had.
Publishing such a list/tool is a PR nightmare in the making.
Goose4291
Banned
There is of course that too, but I'm thinking more from the perspective of a filthy independent player like myself, but who perhaps doesn't know the community too well.
Last thing we need is a group using this to tar others names with a brush in the hopes of hurting their recruitment, standing with the community or perceived outward image for example.
We have enough toxicity and division, as well as unreasonable hatred being thrown around this community as it is. We don't need another excuse.
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If you go into Open in a well armed combat vessel, or in a wing... you you only meet well behaving Cmdr's.
Try doing it in a Lakon 6 or 7 and see what happens....
Any guy there in a non trade vessel is out for your blood.
Thats my experience.
Come in with Combat wing of Conda + 2 FAS and a Vulture everything is peace and silent.
Cheers Cmdr's
Try doing it in a Lakon 6 or 7 and see what happens....
Any guy there in a non trade vessel is out for your blood.
Thats my experience.
Come in with Combat wing of Conda + 2 FAS and a Vulture everything is peace and silent.
Cheers Cmdr's
Goose4291
Banned
You've got a very different experience from myself there. I've been doing the last few trading CG's and have probably been interdicted 4 times.
I think a good majority of us would be totally up for that. Something akin to the EVE death blossom maps you could look at in game while plotting your route, avoiding high activity areas, of course.
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That's an unfortunate thing to be honest. People who are always on the hunt for the next easy kill are worthless scumlords IMHO. If I go out looking for a fight I want a good fight so I'm looking for other ships like my own (FAS by default) or groups of smaller ships that could potentially destroy me if their teamwork is up to par. I don't think I've ever even taken a second glance at a CMDR trade ship.
Update : Also add too BLACK LIST " CMDR RAREBEAR SAS " that's my other CMDR ...
This list definitely isn't for other player groups as most player groups already have a list. This list is for independent CMDRs to make determinations about those surrounding them and since people can only add players based upon radio button options, they are put into different categories. Players will be the one to decide if they believe the list or not.
I would not want any player group to take on this responsibility. All submissions need to be vetted and a punishment put into place for CMDRS for false claims.
There needs to be a standard as well. You might get blown up by someone from a competing PP faction, in which should not qualify for being listed. What if a slave trader gets blown up by someone who feels that slave trading is morally wrong? Who is in the right in that situation?
I'd hate to be the one that needs to pour through hours of evidence and find that claims can't be published. There are a lot of CMDRS out there who think everyone should hug each other. At the same time they forget that they are participating in an illegal activity and it may go against the morals of another CMDR, backed up by the RP of the faction or PP.
Good idea on paper, but this certainly will be abused.
There needs to be a standard as well. You might get blown up by someone from a competing PP faction, in which should not qualify for being listed. What if a slave trader gets blown up by someone who feels that slave trading is morally wrong? Who is in the right in that situation?
I'd hate to be the one that needs to pour through hours of evidence and find that claims can't be published. There are a lot of CMDRS out there who think everyone should hug each other. At the same time they forget that they are participating in an illegal activity and it may go against the morals of another CMDR, backed up by the RP of the faction or PP.
Good idea on paper, but this certainly will be abused.
Naughty hat on. (Just my personal opinion, I know nothing about the legal side of this or if it might break eula or tos)
I think if you add a table with associated ip addresses in a format that is easy to upload into a firewall for blocking them and a donate button you could have the making of a profitable business. A bit like anti virus/malware for ed. ; o)
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Would you put me on that list, old buddy old pal?
Yep, that describes it very well ^^