If I wanted a 'radio-tuning' game I would have rather bought an old radio.

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anikaiful

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DrewCarnegie said:
I understand that. Everyone has things that they find tedious - I got bored out of my skull doing A-B-A trading.

This is why I'm asking FDev to reintroduce ADS-style functionality implemented as an optional module alongside the FSS. That way you don't get bored, and I get to explore systems in a fashion I enjoy.

Obviously I'd prefer them to implement my supercool exploration experience described previously, but I'm prepared to be patient with that ;)
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More options is good! Agreed.
 

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CMDR Karrde Sun said:
If you want an example of how the new system is poorly implemented, the best proof you can find is in the recent ed lewis livestream... just watch Will use the fss in complete dismay he can't keep contained.

Course of offence to will, hes a great cm.

The fact that its been sold as something that can be glanced over and done quickly, from the makers themselves means they looped of shame on this one. If something is worth doing, its worth doing in detail... supporting using it carelessly and with disregard isn't a feature.

EDIT: Before you mention, i did try this myself. It doesn't work. There's no value in the zoomed in view over large sample. Its like saying zooming into bodies on the system map has value... the map isn't the game itself (and if it was would be require so much more to pass).

Lol that's what they've gone and done, isn't it? Exploration game is now play the map. Yay.
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I saw the live stream and I didn't see any dismay. This looks like a case of seeing what you wanted to see.
 

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CMDR Karrde Sun said:
Its not about you vs me.. well it shouldn't be.

- If you made your own way with the old system the fss only gets in your way, unless all you cared about was rewards or only value finding specific things (raxxla detector function).
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This is factually not true. It's about the sense on discovery. I used the old way a lot. I never felt I discovered anything myself. It was all done with a 5 second press of a button. Basically there was no gameplay for you to discover every object in the game. I hated the mechanic. Yes the new way slows me down, but it does not get in the way as I find the feeling of finding these places myself much more rewarding (emotionally) then before. That is what's important to me. I don't care how much time it takes for me to get the same info as before as long as I find it fun.

CMDR Karrde Sun said:
- If you didn't have your heart in the old system the fss of course is a replacement from what was nothing or a placeholder.
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I really do not understand how anyone could like the old system. I can't get my head round it. It was the single worst mechanic in the game. It was a dead end mechanic too. The only way to make it better would have been to make it even more powerful then what it already was. It was horrible and can't believe anyone actually defends it and wants it back.

CMDR Karrde Sun said:
- Everyone seems to like the dss.
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Not everyone.

CMDR Karrde Sun said:
Just look at frontiers assumptions, they put it in as a replacement for something they couldn't imagine people doing. The introduction stream its so absolute their assumption that exploration prior to the fss was nothing more than the credits, time efficiency and tagging. I will admit, they did build a system that answers that incorrect notion pretty well. Yeah again a consequence of reading reddit too much i think.
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They didn't make any assumptions. They said in the stream that certain types of exploration will be negatively affected. They new this and still decided it was best for the game to remove the old placeholder mechanic. They have done what they think is the best for their game.

CMDR Karrde Sun said:
Its just a shame they put an unavoidable gate on prior experience via the fss, and the fss mechanic being so lame to fully wither over extended use is the problem.
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Yes now we get some actual discovey gameplay. Still waiting for the reasons why the FSS is lame. Nobody seems to have any facts to back it up, only subjective opinion which is easily countered with my own.

I want facts as to why it's bad and I have seen none so far.
 

VR jefranklin18

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Burke said:
Which is drfiting in the direction of adapt or leave :) Hows about the compromise? ADS comes back as a module, would that bother you?
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There must be a point where circular arguments that will never be resolved are a good enough reason for a thread lock? Alternatively, I am more than happy to spout off topic drivel, invoke Godwins Law or whatever it takes.

You don't like it, God knows we know you don't like it. You have droned on for 187 pages now. Frontier are not going to change it based on 3 people going on about it incessantly.

Final thought, I am pretty sure if you do the honk, you can still fly to the unexplored body and as you get closer the scan is invoked. That seemed to be happening for me the other day.
 

idahosurge

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For the most part I like the FSS, but it is so STUPID to have the FSS take up the complete screen and you have to be at zero throttle to use it. Out in the black where you are completely alone this is fine, but it is not fine in the bubble. When you are in the bubble and using the FSS for whatever reason you are a sitting duck with zero operational awareness in regards to what is going on around you. I am tied of being in the FSS in the bubble and then suddenly getting interdicted by some pirate.

It is obvious that Frontier does not think things all the way through before they decide to implement changes.
 
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jefranklin18 said:
There must be a point where circular arguments that will never be resolved are a good enough reason for a thread lock?
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If only the game designers had some way of making their thoughts on the matter clear. Perhaps some system of symbols arranged in patterns which people can use their sensory organs to process, some conventionalised system of arbitrary form-to-meaning mapping which allows for cognitive states to be synchronised.
 

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Deadlock-3000 said:
If only the game designers had some way of making their thoughts on the matter clear. Perhaps some system of symbols arranged in patterns which people can use their sensory organs to process, some conventionalised system of arbitrary form-to-meaning mapping which allows for cognitive states to be synchronised.
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They might not have made up their mind what to do yet. I do beleive that they are at least discussing it between themselfs at some level. I take this from the livestreams.
 
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Bomber

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'Observer' crew member

What about having a new crew member that would automatically do all the exploring tuning the knobs thingy:) allow those who just want to fly get on with it. It would help those who dont like the exploring part. The crew member would take a share of the cash.

I dont use crew members but wouldn't mind getting an 'observer' to tag along and get the exploration data? If he needs me to fly over to planet X666..no bother:)
 

[Diplomacy] Carnegie

[Diplomacy] Carnegie
jefranklin18 said:
There must be a point where circular arguments that will never be resolved are a good enough reason for a thread lock? Alternatively, I am more than happy to spout off topic drivel, invoke Godwins Law or whatever it takes.

You don't like it, God knows we know you don't like it. You have droned on for 187 pages now. Frontier are not going to change it based on 3 people going on about it incessantly.

Final thought, I am pretty sure if you do the honk, you can still fly to the unexplored body and as you get closer the scan is invoked. That seemed to be happening for me the other day.
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You have the option not to use the thread.
 

Burke

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Bomber said:
What about having a new crew member that would automatically do all the exploring tuning the knobs thingy:) allow those who just want to fly get on with it. It would help those who dont like the exploring part. The crew member would take a share of the cash.

I dont use crew members but wouldn't mind getting an 'observer' to tag along and get the exploration data? If he needs me to fly over to planet X666..no bother:)
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I dont use them either, but if thats what it takes. Just so long as they do it quickly, no 20 minute waits.
 

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Bomber said:
What about having a new crew member that would automatically do all the exploring tuning the knobs thingy:) allow those who just want to fly get on with it. It would help those who dont like the exploring part. The crew member would take a share of the cash.

I dont use crew members but wouldn't mind getting an 'observer' to tag along and get the exploration data? If he needs me to fly over to planet X666..no bother:)
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I think a lot of people would like this kind of thing - see also the docking computer / autopilot threads - but the entire NPC crew mechanic was a bolt-on for fighter bays and has since been entirely forgotten.

I think a fair few players would love more "management" styles of play but you quickly reach the point where you're talking about some other game that Frontier don't want to / can't deliver.

Why is why we got the scan-a-mole minigame instead.
 
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VR jefranklin18

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DrewCarnegie said:
You have the option not to use the thread.
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Unfortunately ignore thread does not actually hide the damn thing so it constantly comes to the top when somebody posts to it. Have you tried my suggestion or is having a whine about it the limit of your actual engagement with the topic?
 
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