Modes If Open is to get something exclusive then PG and Solo also need something
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You understand we were having a joke right?
But let's take this seriously. How would you feel if FD said they were considering removing PvP from the game? Or Open mode? Or for example restricting something you enjoy to a mode you do not enjoy playing in?
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:gasp: Yeah, it's a bit different when the shoe is on the other foot- which is why they'd never consider it.
I think they should keep running their mouths, because it helps to prove the true divisiveness and simply galvanizes the reasons for why the modes exist to begin with.
Just look at the pure smugness displayed from some when it's simply announced as a proposal with no actual promises made.
If they can break one promise- they can break another.
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OOF Waffe PR
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Nothing. They dragged the game down for a long time with the unbalance of the modes and solo undermining. You deserve to see the rebuy screen many times not extra features.
Extra features? Squadrons, Wingmen, etc... those are in solo? Solo/PG haven't dragged the game down, to claim so is trying to deflect. You claim Solo/PG players deserve to see the rebuy screen many times...do you know how many time those in solo see it? I bet it is a lot more than you think. If you have bought into this mythos that Solo/PG is "easy" then I'm sorry but you swallowed a steaming pile of T-Rex dung.
OOF Waffe PR
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If you cant realize that solo is easier than open, which is a fact when we dont rig routers or spam the block button and hang out in a system of interest which is a CG or a PP conflict, than there is nothing left to say since you completely lie and twist a fact to proove an un arguable point.
Some Solo/PG players may act or have acted in bad faith - but that is not the root cause of any perceived imbalance between the modes, that is mostly in the heads of those that complain about a perceived imbalance.
Where Open is concerned, making PP Open exclusive will not actually improve the popularity of Open or PP - IMO the net effect will be either neutral or negative for both. That may please some, but FD do need to adhere to their principle of all-modes-being-considered-equal otherwise they will have failed the community as a whole IMO.
Personally, I did not buy the LEP just to end up being locked out of certain content because of my gameplay mode choice. I refuse to engage in Open (outside of a Beta) largely because of certain attitudes amongst some of the more vocal members of this gaming community, FD making features Open exclusive are not going to change that and rather than catering just for the Open only crowd they should cater for everyone.
Solo already has something
No risk of PvP
That alone already made OPEN, PG, & SOLO unequal.
No risk of PvP
That alone already made OPEN, PG, & SOLO unequal.
No risk of PvP is not a feature, certainly not one that justifies the REMOVAL of any given feature that has been available to EVERYONE since it was introduced regardless of specific mode choices.
If FD wanted to add a PvP-centric feature that was Open restricted and did not affect the gameplay of those that do not choose to participate then that is one thing, but what is being proposed by FD is something else and they should not be allowed to go unchallenged.
OOF Waffe PR
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They tried that and failed. All modes are equal is a blatant lie. How can they be equal where one has god modded pvp ships while the other has NPCs that you can boost in straight line from.
The modes were NEVER equal, and not all content should be allowed within all the modes.
Solo undermining is dead. New era has arrived. This game is finnaly started to move forward.
How? Where? What feature? The real answer is no, they have not.
As for the god mode ships - just because some idiots exploit certain stacking mechanics does not make a mode unequal - it just encourages others to do exactly the same resulting in stagnation and lack of diversity. Build choices have absolutely ZERO to do with people behaving like idiots thinking ganking or griefing is some how big or clever either.
As for the game moving forward, IMO it would be a backward step and could be considered reasonable grounds for a legal challenge if non-Open players are not appropriately compensated for having a feature available to them removed from their choices.
A compromise might be for PP to have two data sets - One for Open, and one for other modes. But then that would also kind of fly in the face of their being a single shared universe state.
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When it’s a stupid promise that’s no longer beneficial to the long term health of the game?
Drop it like a bad habit.
rootsrat
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No they don't. It's a PVP feature being moved to PVP mode.
But I like your suggestion APART from it being available in Solo/PG only. What's next, something in return for Carriers being only available for Squadrons, because it's a feature designed specifically for multiplayer gaming? What about Player Minor Factions being able to be attacked in Solo. Can they get something in return for not being able to directly oppose the hostile forces? What about Wings? We got wings, right? That's no use in Solo mode. What can we get for Wings? And Multi Crew? That is no use in Solo either. Now we need something in return for Multi Crew. What about players creating a Lockdown state in Solo during a Community Goal hosted by a player group? They are blocking the station services and can do it in Solo. Can we get something in return for Open only?
Elite is a MULTIPLAYER game, which includes PVP. There will be features designed specifically for certain parts of the game and they need to be adjusted accordingly.
C'mon Agony, you're better than that.
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OOF Waffe PR
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You dont understand what the word "exploit" really means.
PP is a colossal failure at its current state, I know it, FDEV knows it and everybody who are not solo underminers know it.
You miss my point - PP is a feature available to ALL players regardless of gameplay choice, removal of that feature from any player's available feature set is essentially contestable and unjustifiable without adding something to replace it for those players that do not wish to play in Open for ANY reason.
This has little or nothing to do with the nature of PP, and further more if non-Open players are not able to participate then it should not affect their gameplay in any shape or form.
Limiting PP to Open is only going to further fragment the community IMO.
OOF Waffe PR
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It should never been availble in private modes to begin with. Besides you csn click on open and have this content availble to you. Its all the same game.
War/conflict content should be held in an open field, where noone is safe in their little bubbles.
LOL
The community has been shattered along pretty clear lines for ages now. Something’s got to give for any reasonably functional future.
There will be winners and their will be losers. It’s the only way now.
False - in essence, I have seen the toxic consequences of Open restricted gameplay with no PG/Solo equivalent in the case of GTA V. Open mode IMO is the worst part of games like ED and GTA, the fundamental issue is it does not matter how the Developers try to moderate behaviours (FD chose Shadowbans for ED) the end result is rarely effective and people of certain mind-sets will always try to test the limits of what others will tolerate.
Even then that is besides the point, FD should not be changing an existing feature to be Open only without compensating those that may have previously engaged in legitimate non-Open gameplay using said feature. All other considerations are moot in that regard.
How about the toxic results of All Modes Are Equal?
Those are pretty systemic!
Those are pretty systemic!
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