In case you wonder why you get ganked in open

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CaptainPugwash

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Hooplah said:
. But there were no salutations afterwards to each other or as a trader appreciating that I didn't run away but played the game as a PvP player desires. Instead still playing in Open Bob kept coming after me when I didn't want to continue.
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The lack of salutations is distinctly disappointing Bob: a trader in a cutter lets you have your fun and takes the rebuy and you don't say a word? This is the main problem with the PvP community (which I am part of as a pirate) - no damn manners!! Kudos to the cutter pilot by the way.
 

Sir Ganksalot

Sir Ganksalot
GroG79 said:
Gank proof ships are suboptimal. Why would you mine/explore/haul in one?

In a good build you will always be (very) vulnerable against combat equipped ships
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I made 2 billion in about a week after switching to PC in this. Always in open and didn't die to a single gank. I had quite a few gank attempts on me but none were successful.

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Sir Ganksalot said:
I made 2 billion in about a week after switching to PC in this. Always in open and didn't die to a single gank. I had quite a few gank attempts on me but none were successful.

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Nice.. But we all know you can not do the same in a T9. The masslock factor helps immensely and the cutter is fast. Try build a pirate ship and go into combat with a meta build.. You will loose as you need to bring limpet controllers/interdictors/cargo/scanner etc etc

Purpose builds are just what they are and not made for escaping

(btw I play open unless 'motivation')
 

Screemonster

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Krash said:
Killing gankers in self defense is my greatest joy in this game, which is why I mine in open. There are so many noob gankers in the LTD systems, that yes, I can kill some of them with my mining ship.
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ikr? I was in borann and there was some guy there in a courier just zipping out and attacking the miners

I had absolutely no guilt about giving him a target that could shoot back.
 

CenturionPuch

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Hooplah said:
Greetings,

While dealing with a PvP player in Open mode I stopped playing to respond to this post. I read the Forum while waiting for my ship to get somewhere per the built-in time sinks.

I'm happy as a clam (are clams happy?) in Open flying my 728t trading Cutter between two systems hauling Tritium when a combat Orca interdicts me. Being empty going to the buy system this was not a 'pirate' scenario. The CMDR, which I'll call Bob (not his real name) just wanted a fight verified by opening fire on me. OK, hauling is putting me to sleep, in Open I'm a legal target so OK Bob, let's play.

Here's my engineered Cutter build. Scanning Bob he had 3 fragment cannons, boosters, lots of chaff (I'm OK firing gimballed weapons fixed), and probably lots of hull and module reinforcements all no doubt engineered.

The fight went on for a good 10 minutes. I did my maneuvers and Bob did his. I may have surprised Bob per what a Cutter can do. Maybe not. While I'm fast in a straight line and a few tricks with FA off Bob is also fast and more maneuverable. The end result was getting Bob down to 35% hull before he took me out. My last maneuver wasn't my best.

OK I lost, had a 25m rebuy and my next Tritium hall made 31m. No problem. I actually enjoyed the combat as relief from what I was doing. But there were no salutations afterwards to each other or as a trader appreciating that I didn't run away but played the game as a PvP player desires. Instead still playing in Open Bob kept coming after me when I didn't want to continue. Maybe per Bob's play style he was excited to have a trader take him on. Sort of like other players mining LTDs and cannot help themselves. I understand.

I'm not into PvP skills (but over the years have a few) and neither are other haulers. This isn't the game we play. If my Cutter build cannot survive a PvP engagement then what does any player flying a Type-6-7-9 and I've even seen Cobras hauling Tritium to their fleet carriers have a chance with a PvP player dialing in the most effective ship build and experience? They have none on PvP terms unless haulers max out for experience and combat PvP are lucky to carry 100t of cargo on a Type-9.

Still we have a lot of options avoiding PvP players when we don't want to play PvP. So I went on the local buy system chat|system text channel alerting all others with his ship, his CMDR name, his load out and where he hides near the station. Bob probably didn't like that and spent the next 3 hours bring to find me while I made another 600m hauling Tritium in Open probably upsetting Bob a little. There are ways to frustrate a PvP player every time but I'm not going to post them here. Even a Type-6 can avoid a PvP encounter. Try a YouTube search.



This is ALWAYS the solution from the PvP perspective never taking into account other play styles who never want to do PvP. These posts never resolve anything. Given the above engineered trader Cutter other ships won't be much of a match.

I played in Open mode say 50% of the time over the years gaining experience to survive. I've played 100% for weeks since the FCs were released, made many friends, joined a squadron playing with others, helped players while other players gave credits to new players to get their own FC. Open mode can work if a player knows how to avoid PvP combat they don't desire. Like my trading Cutter losing to an combat Orca we will sometimes lose.

Here is what some PvP players imagine in wings. You decide if you want to play...Back to see if Bob wants to play with me.

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I fixed that cutter for you. https://s.orbis.zone/855F
 
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Bottom Hat

Bottom Hat
Sir Ganksalot said:
I will 100% accept that my in-game character is a bit of sociopath. I can get down with that.

However, point #1 says that a sociopath doesn't respect the law and social norms. What are the laws and social norm in Elite Dangerous? The rules of the game say ganking is allowed and I would argue that its part of the social norm.

Point #2 says we lie and use nicknames. Well I can't say I've ever intentionally lied to anyone in Elite and we all use nicknames, right? My real name is Matt, so...

Point #3 my long term plan is to attempt to send every player in Elite to the rebuy screen. Sounds legitimate enough to me.

Point #4: it's a game with shooty spaceships, of course I'm gonna be aggressive towards other players. I don't understand why you wouldn't. Even my friends aren't safe from me 😈

Point #5: safety is irrelevant in a video game

Point #6 my personal responsibility is to kill everyone.

Point #7 well it's a video game and in the 25 years I've been playing them, I've never felt guilty for killing a player or NPC in a video game, except maybe Mordin. I just sent him to his death 😥

On a final note, I would argue that if you feel that you can't play however you want to play and you have to abide by some sort of rules that you make up in your head (rp aside) then you are more likely to have some underlying issues.
Especially when you feel like it's your responsibility to try dictate the way other people play a video game or call them names and get mad at them for the way they enjoy it.
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Well hello, Sir Mattalot o7 ;)
 

Sir Ganksalot

Sir Ganksalot
GroG79 said:
Nice.. But we all know you can not do the same in a T9. The masslock factor helps immensely and the cutter is fast. Try build a pirate ship and go into combat with a meta build.. You will loose as you need to bring limpet controllers/interdictors/cargo/scanner etc etc

Purpose builds are just what they are and not made for escaping

(btw I play open unless 'motivation')
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There is no ship that can't survive a gank if you know how to properly escape. Yes, you will need to make some slight compromises to your build but not to the extent that you're making a huge sacrifice to your credits per hour.
 

Ian Doncaster

Ian Doncaster
Sir Ganksalot said:
Point #3 my long term plan is to attempt to send every player in Elite to the rebuy screen. Sounds legitimate enough to me.
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Entirely so - and well within the spirit of the same source material that the combat ranking comes from

So things began to pall for him. The merry smiles he used to wear at other people's funerals began to fade. He began to despise the Universe in general, and everybody in it in particular. This was the point at which he conceived his purpose, the thing that would drive him on, and which, as far as he could see, would drive him on forever. It was this:

He would insult the Universe.

That is, he would insult everybody in it. Individually, personally, one by one, and (this was the thing he really decided to grit his teeth over) in Alphabetical Order. When people protested to him, as they sometimes had done, that the plan was not merely misguided but actually impossible because of the number of people being born and dying all the time, he would merely fix them with a steely look and say, "A man can dream, can't he?"
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