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jpaulwilson1982

jpaulwilson1982
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OP UPDATED: New submissions available under Mission #3. Basically, they are as follows:

#5
A) Search in the Pleiades for more barnacles and other clues.
B) Search in Barnard's Loop and it's surrounding Nebulae.
C) Search along the Panzertard Vector.
D) Mine meta-alloys from known sites and take them to Obsidian Orbital or Varati to the Cannon.
- I have read that the barnacle tentacles at the Barnacle POIs grow back after being destroyed. I am giving Knights the green light on harvesting material and meta-alloys from the barnacle tentacles. However, if it turns out that this activity does permanent damage to the lifeforms, I will rescind this directive and declare the barnacles as a protected species. Finally, do nothing to damage the central structure in Barnacle POIs. I hear they are very resilient, but I don't want to do anything that might destroy these creatures.
E) Help with the efforts to guard explorer's in the Pleiades at the Barnacle sites or Obsidian Orbital.
- Only do this if you are properly armed, or if you simply believe in safety in numbers and wish to explore with others as a mutually beneficial means of protection/self defense.

Special thanks to Silmar for these missions and bringing crucial information to our attention.
 
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Silmar

Silmar
A useful post on the Elite Explorers Reddit which gives an idea of what the Barnacles look like at different heights.

Post is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/eliteexplo...examples_of_barnacles_and_how_they_look_from/

Images in the post are here: https://imgur.com/gallery/HxjQt

Thanks to CMDR Chopper from the Canonn for posting that.

You can find a lot of useful information on the current state of both UA and Barnacle knowledge in Rizal72's posts at the front of UA Thread 5. The Barnacles post is here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=222049&page=525&p=3387016&viewfull=1#post3387016, with the UA post below it.

Regarding looking for Barnacles I would point these bits out to people from Rizal72's post:
They are being found close to crashed ships sites.

They seem to prefer those standing-out colored area (yellow, green, red) common on some planets.

So far, They seem to like Low-G Planets, whose temperature is between 194 K (-79.15 C) and 379 K (105.85 C).

They do not produce a POI circle on the ship scanner, so far, so they have to be spotted by eye.
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Silmar

Silmar
I think I am going to start pulling together any results of my searches into a spreadsheet that can at least be shared with the Knights and the Canonn. I am happy to coordinate updating the spreadsheet for Knights if you want to send me updates, although I am also happy to try and get something up on Google Docs that we can all edit. However I haven't tried using Google Docs before so that may take a little work to get right. I am planning to steal mercilessly from the work that people in the Canonn have already been doing to record searches in the Pleiades :).

I think that the purpose of the spreadsheet should be:
  1. Record which Systems have Planets that can be landed on that are in an area where we are searching. (This alone is useful and is something that anyone can do.)
  2. Did you see any Signal Sources while in supercruise in the system? (I haven't seen any in the systems around Barnard's Loop yet and I would be interested if anyone does see any.)
  3. Record some details of the Planets and the System Star(s) in case we ever need to go back and look for something specific.
  4. Identify who has looked at each Planet and where did they look. (We are going to have to be careful with this bit as we don't want to put to much detail into the spreadsheet, but we do need enough information that people know whether someone else has been to be a specific area before).

Given the fact that planets are just so very, very big, there is no way that we can completely survey a planet. Neither would I want to insist that people undertake numerous exhaustive searches of planets. People should do as much or as little as they are able, and as long as we record what people have done then we will gather some useful information.

What do you all think?
 
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Spruxxx

Spruxxx
That's useful with the views. For me at 1.5-2km they're visible (in theory) and the POI zones remain on the ship's scanner (not all show up, but I'm pretty sure some of them register). Two barnacles weren't present after loading though, and others reported that. I parked close by though - jumping out and back would probably solve it.

It'll be best to gather as much system data in one place. Therefore I'd suggest adding to Netslayer's XL. But if you want any help with Google Docs or other systems (sent JPW some details), happy to assist :)

So far I can't see the vector leading anywhere (even Pleione is off-axis!), but I've only checked out a few systems.
 

Silmar

Silmar
Spruxxx said:
That's useful with the views. For me at 1.5-2km they're visible (in theory) and the POI zones remain on the ship's scanner (not all show up, but I'm pretty sure some of them register). Two barnacles weren't present after loading though, and others reported that. I parked close by though - jumping out and back would probably solve it.

It'll be best to gather as much system data in one place. Therefore I'd suggest adding to Netslayer's XL. But if you want any help with Google Docs or other systems (sent JPW some details), happy to assist :)

So far I can't see the vector leading anywhere (even Pleione is off-axis!), but I've only checked out a few systems.
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I have already been in touch with NetSlayer and will hopefully get some time with him soon so he can explain how he did his spreadsheet. I agree that if anyone is looking around the Pleiades then NetSlayer's spreadsheet is the place to record any details. I may well take you up on advice as to how to setup the spreadsheet for Barnard's Loop though :).

What I am focusing on at the moment is identifying any systems with good candidates for closer examination and also keeping an eye out for Signal Sources. Alas the systems I went to tonight did not have any good candidates, despite several landable worlds being present. But the surface temperatures were to cold. I am looking for worlds with 1.2G or less and between 190K and 400K.

As for the vector, what we really need is another point to be found in or close to the Pleiades so that we can see if it still exists to be sure. Not sure how quickly that is going to happen though. Are there still Griefers running around the Pleiades causing trouble?
 
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Spruxxx

Spruxxx
Sure good stuff, no doubt Netslayer will know more than me!

I read the first page of the UA Thread 5 again. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=222049

Michael Brookes is quoted as saying: "And to those asking why nebulae - it's quite logical if you think about it :)"

So we know this:

1. Nebulae are massive clouds of gas and dust that often contain the elements necessary for star formation. Some of those elements end up in other planetary bodies in those star systems, such as metals.
2. The barnacles and / or their 'trees' organically produce advanced alloys from these base elements - this appears to be analogous to plants producing fruit.
3. Like any plant, the quality of the soil will determine the quality of the fruit - in this case, the source elements available in the system.
4. So a smart galactic farmer will place his plants in the most fertile star systems for the best results. So far, this consists of systems with metal worlds, lying within the noted temperature and gravity ranges - the more systems we find, the more we'll learn about suitable conditions.
5. And the more we learn, the more 'fields' we'll discover - suitable nebulae for farming. Do different fields contain different soil, with different plants?
6. And as we find more fields, sooner or later we'll bump into the farmers...will they mind us discovering and taking their harvests?

Let's find the farmers ;)
 

Silmar

Silmar
I like that theory Spruxxx, you should consider posting it in the UA Thread. I wonder, is there anyway for us to identify the chemical composition of a Nebula?
 

Silmar

Silmar
jpinkston70 said:
If they are based off real scientific data then a simple Google search should work. Otherwise I have no idea on how to figure that out.
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Good point, I shall investigate tonight :).

As for my spreadsheet, at the moment it is quite basic https://www.dropbox.com/s/x5htkoaf1... Surrounding Nebula Survey 19th Jan.xlsx?dl=0.

For the moment I am focusing on identifying systems which contain candidate worlds for further examination. So that is what the first sheet will focus on. For Candidates I have slightly widened the temperature range given by the Canonn and also raised the upper limit on gravity. I am also taking screen prints of the detailed scans of the bodies, so I have the full information available to me if we need it in future. As a starting point what do people think?
 
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jpinkston70

J
Looks good to me. It's a good starting point to compile all the intel for the systems we're exploring/ monitoring. As things progress modify and simplify the data. I liked the layout of the spreadsheet. Pretty simple and easy to understand. Good job!
 

jpaulwilson1982

jpaulwilson1982
blackwa said:
A useful post on the Elite Explorers Reddit which gives an idea of what the Barnacles look like at different heights.

Post is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/eliteexplo...examples_of_barnacles_and_how_they_look_from/

Images in the post are here: https://imgur.com/gallery/HxjQt

Thanks to CMDR Chopper from the Canonn for posting that.

You can find a lot of useful information on the current state of both UA and Barnacle knowledge in Rizal72's posts at the front of UA Thread 5. The Barnacles post is here https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=222049&page=525&p=3387016&viewfull=1#post3387016, with the UA post below it.

Regarding looking for Barnacles I would point these bits out to people from Rizal72's post:
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Rizal has done an amazing job organizing and explaining the whole UA/barnacles story. Anyone wanting to learn about them needs to read those first couple of posts, at least.

blackwa said:
I think I am going to start pulling together any results of my searches into a spreadsheet that can at least be shared with the Knights and the Canonn. I am happy to coordinate updating the spreadsheet for Knights if you want to send me updates, although I am also happy to try and get something up on Google Docs that we can all edit. However I haven't tried using Google Docs before so that may take a little work to get right. I am planning to steal mercilessly from the work that people in the Canonn have already been doing to record searches in the Pleiades :).

I think that the purpose of the spreadsheet should be:
  1. Record which Systems have Planets that can be landed on that are in an area where we are searching. (This alone is useful and is something that anyone can do.)
  2. Did you see any Signal Sources while in supercruise in the system? (I haven't seen any in the systems around Barnard's Loop yet and I would be interested if anyone does see any.)
  3. Record some details of the Planets and the System Star(s) in case we ever need to go back and look for something specific.
  4. Identify who has looked at each Planet and where did they look. (We are going to have to be careful with this bit as we don't want to put to much detail into the spreadsheet, but we do need enough information that people know whether someone else has been to be a specific area before).

Given the fact that planets are just so very, very big, there is no way that we can completely survey a planet. Neither would I want to insist that people undertake numerous exhaustive searches of planets. People should do as much or as little as they are able, and as long as we record what people have done then we will gather some useful information.

What do you all think?
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I'm all for this, especially if it allows us to coordinate our efforts with the Canonn. They have a wealth of useful information that would save us time and needless searching.

blackwa said:
NetSlayer just posted up this request for assistance in providing data for the Pleiades spreadsheet:
https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=222049&p=3448541&viewfull=1#post3448541
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Yep that spreadsheet looks like a great way to help in searching the Pleiades. I'll link it in the OP.

Spruxxx said:
That's useful with the views. For me at 1.5-2km they're visible (in theory) and the POI zones remain on the ship's scanner (not all show up, but I'm pretty sure some of them register). Two barnacles weren't present after loading though, and others reported that. I parked close by though - jumping out and back would probably solve it.

It'll be best to gather as much system data in one place. Therefore I'd suggest adding to Netslayer's XL. But if you want any help with Google Docs or other systems (sent JPW some details), happy to assist :)

So far I can't see the vector leading anywhere (even Pleione is off-axis!), but I've only checked out a few systems.
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Yeah definitely coordinate with Netslayer. Concerning our other searches, we may have to build our own databases.

blackwa said:
I have already been in touch with NetSlayer and will hopefully get some time with him soon so he can explain how he did his spreadsheet. I agree that if anyone is looking around the Pleiades then NetSlayer's spreadsheet is the place to record any details. I may well take you up on advice as to how to setup the spreadsheet for Barnard's Loop though :).

What I am focusing on at the moment is identifying any systems with good candidates for closer examination and also keeping an eye out for Signal Sources. Alas the systems I went to tonight did not have any good candidates, despite several landable worlds being present. But the surface temperatures were to cold. I am looking for worlds with 1.2G or less and between 190K and 400K.

As for the vector, what we really need is another point to be found in or close to the Pleiades so that we can see if it still exists to be sure. Not sure how quickly that is going to happen though. Are there still Griefers running around the Pleiades causing trouble?
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In the Spirograph Nebula I'm checking all landable planets, but I'm paying extra attention to worlds that fall within that criteria (1.2G gravity and 190K to 400K worlds/moons).

Concerning the vector, if it seems like a dead lead, don't worry about it. It was one of the last ideas I was going to check anyways. Probably not likely to turn up anything, I'm afraid.

Spruxxx said:
Sure good stuff, no doubt Netslayer will know more than me!

I read the first page of the UA Thread 5 again. https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showthread.php?t=222049

Michael Brookes is quoted as saying: "And to those asking why nebulae - it's quite logical if you think about it :)"

So we know this:

1. Nebulae are massive clouds of gas and dust that often contain the elements necessary for star formation. Some of those elements end up in other planetary bodies in those star systems, such as metals.
2. The barnacles and / or their 'trees' organically produce advanced alloys from these base elements - this appears to be analogous to plants producing fruit.
3. Like any plant, the quality of the soil will determine the quality of the fruit - in this case, the source elements available in the system.
4. So a smart galactic farmer will place his plants in the most fertile star systems for the best results. So far, this consists of systems with metal worlds, lying within the noted temperature and gravity ranges - the more systems we find, the more we'll learn about suitable conditions.
5. And the more we learn, the more 'fields' we'll discover - suitable nebulae for farming. Do different fields contain different soil, with different plants?
6. And as we find more fields, sooner or later we'll bump into the farmers...will they mind us discovering and taking their harvests?

Let's find the farmers ;)
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Plus any planet in a nebula will have some sort of atmosphere, even if it's listed as not having an atmosphere (or that's what I think, might be wrong).

About the "farmers"- they might not like that we've harvested their material and collected and studied their artifacts, but a little diplomacy can still go a long way in solving the issue. IF they're interested in diplomacy lol

blackwa said:
Good point, I shall investigate tonight :).

As for my spreadsheet, at the moment it is quite basic https://www.dropbox.com/s/x5htkoaf1... Surrounding Nebula Survey 19th Jan.xlsx?dl=0.

For the moment I am focusing on identifying systems which contain candidate worlds for further examination. So that is what the first sheet will focus on. For Candidates I have slightly widened the temperature range given by the Canonn and also raised the upper limit on gravity. I am also taking screen prints of the detailed scans of the bodies, so I have the full information available to me if we need it in future. As a starting point what do people think?
Click to expand...

jpinkston70 said:
Looks good to me. It's a good starting point to compile all the intel for the systems we're exploring/ monitoring. As things progress modify and simplify the data. I liked the layout of the spreadsheet. Pretty simple and easy to understand. Good job!
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Yeah, what jpinkston said. Definitely a good place to start. I'd like to add the Spirograph Nebula as currently being explored. I'll get back to you with more details of my findings soon.


All in all, remarkable work. You guys have really been putting effort into this, and it's immensely appreciated. The group couldn't survive without its Knights ;)


In addition, I wanted to talk about the OP- obviously, it's gotten quite massive. More members, more missions, more specified roles in the group, more to discuss; I think the Knights have once again outgrown this thread and all our information being in the OP. Soon, I'll be posting in our Enjin forums again and I'll be working to get it all up to date over the next week. I'll still post missions in the OP, but details will be primarily available at Enjin. Plus, anything secretive will be omitted from this thread's OP (like secret missions, sensitive information, etc). Also I'm planning on keeping the members list at Enjin, with perhaps only leaders and organizers (Lords) being listed publicly.

I'm also going to look at various different programs and sites to help Knights keep up with missions more easily. Several such programs and sites have been suggested to me, and seems like a good idea to at least take them into consideration.

Finally I'll be updating our Weebly website soon (minor stuff like graphics and part 2 of the story I started).

Ride Forth...


EDIT:

Found a strange plateau on a planet in the Spirograph Nebula. Below is my first post about it in the UA Thread:

jpaulwilson1982 said:
I found an unusual plateau on a planet in the system I've been searching. But I'm not sure if the plateau itself is a glitch, or if the edges of it just weren't rendered right for whatever reason. But I've never seen a plateau this high (~4KM) and well-defined in a crater before. It's kind of hard to explain, so I threw together a video of it. Any of you seen anything like this before? Is the plateau a glitch? If not, how would such a land formation be possible inside the crater of an airless, waterless moon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MqMiJDdmUrw

Anyways, I'm going to go back and look it over real good one more time. I doubt barnacles are involved, as the planet just doesn't seem to fit the bill. It's just so weird I can't help myself :D
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Spruxxx

Spruxxx
blackwa said:
I like that theory Spruxxx, you should consider posting it in the UA Thread. I wonder, is there anyway for us to identify the chemical composition of a Nebula?
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Thanks yeah could do, not sure there's anything revelatory in there that isn't already discussed. More condensed perhaps :)

Well, I guess there's the old fashioned way - check a bunch of systems in the nebulae and we'll see if anything noticably differerent turns up. That said, it'll be a feat to determine the differing proportions of elements with respect to different nebulae to reach a meaningful conclusion. You'd have to try and record material spawn rates across many systems. I'd say only the most analytical minds need apply. Maybe just wait for another clue hehe

Speaking of old fashioned ways, it does seem silly that we have to visually spot unmarked POIs (ie not the circle stuff) when we are technologically advanced enough to have ships that travel at many times the speed of light etc. So ships can't have ground cameras, or even binoculars with a good zoom?? Ext view doesn't do the job. No heat / night vision etc? Or why not have a terrain scanner module that picks up the presence of large objects from the air with an accurate 3D position, but no more (exactly like a normal ship scanner finds ships) - takes up a slot if you want it, A grade get the longest range etc.

I appreciate the point that FD always want a manual aspect to playing the game and it shouldn't all be taken care of, just as there's no autopilot except for docking. I'm fine with that but in this case, surely some technological assistance would make it less daunting. Finding a needle in a haystack is nothing compared to finding a barnacle on countless planets!!

I'm in HR 1183 in the Pleiades, which is an interesting system for having two pairs of close binary planets, and close to their respective suns - reminiscent of the binaries in PS JC-U B3-2. But the average surface temp is probably too hot, at 965K and 598K respectively per pair (surface temp has no bearing on the ship or SRV yet either). All other conditions are similar, so I'd like to prove that there's nothing significant there, but no easy task. Some interesting luminous green valleys, that's for sure...good luck in the Spirograph nebula JPW. Gotta say I think that plateau is a bug, it looks like that whole section of terrain has been mistakenly elevated too far - so you get 'broken' textures stretching along the sides. Perfect spot for a space castle though :D

Some more thoughts...could barnacles be equipped with an alarm or warning system? Could they have already have tipped off their owners about our interference? Our farmers would surely monitor them in some way? Look forward to meeting them, hope they're not annoyed as I wouldn't say no to a day out on the farm ha ha

And can barnacles spread? Either by themselves, or through interaction with us? There's been speculation that UAs are barnacles, or the necessary materials, in transport. Could we ever discover a way to plant one ourselves from a UA? What if meta-alloys self replicate? What if barnacles start appearing in or on space stations...!!
 

Spruxxx

Spruxxx
Excellent, the search continues...

Found a new data point POI - crashed satellite - seen these before?

POI-CrashedSatellite.jpgPOI-CrashedSatellite2.jpg
 

jpaulwilson1982

jpaulwilson1982
Spruxxx said:
Excellent, the search continues...

Found a new data point POI - crashed satellite - seen these before?

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I've come across a few crash sites with these old-school type of satellites. I'm not sure I've ever seen one so intact, but they are kind of common.


EDIT: OP UPDATED

Enjin Forums Updated

- Our Enjin forums now have a Mission and Goals section.
- Missions will be primarily updated there.
- From here on, only basic mission information will be provided in this thread's OP (with the exception of old information already posted, I'll leave that public).
- The Missions section in this thread will rarely be updated.

Also, minor update to our Weebly (just our logo and coat of arms added).

Further updates to be posted....


UPDATE: 4 Polls available in our Enjin forum concerning our alliances with other groups. Those elections will determine if we maintain those alliance, or end them. Voting will be available for 7 days, after which the votes will be closed automatically.

Further updates to be posted....
 
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Spruxxx

Spruxxx
jpaulwilson1982 said:
I've come across a few crash sites with these old-school type of satellites. I'm not sure I've ever seen one so intact, but they are kind of common.


EDIT: OP UPDATED

Enjin Forums Updated

- Our Enjin forums now have a Mission and Goals section.
- Missions will be primarily updated there.
- From here on, only basic mission information will be provided in this thread's OP (with the exception of old information already posted, I'll leave that public).
- The Missions section in this thread will rarely be updated.

Also, minor update to our Weebly (just our logo and coat of arms added).

Further updates to be posted....


UPDATE: 4 Polls available in our Enjin forum concerning our alliances with other groups. Those elections will determine if we maintain those alliance, or end them. Voting will be available for 7 days, after which the votes will be closed automatically.

Further updates to be posted....
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Aha thanks, good to know if something new has turned up or not. I suggest we keep lists of spawned / permanent POIs, so we can determine whether anything genuinely new turns up - esp after a new patch etc.

Thanks for the Enjin updates, I've just updated a strategy post and asked for information from the group about their ship types - we can start to determine what resources we have to work with. If everyone could take a look on Enjin and update / give feedback at some point that would be much appreciated.
 
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