That was a rough deal compared to the other LEPs or equivalent.
LIFETIME Expansion pass, and Python Mk2
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i dont mind using the cobra IV and if i did happen to blow it up, i pay for it same as anything else. i cant remember for certain but I think (though happy to be corrected) i had to buy it with credits in game as well.
i was surprised the cobra IV wasnt made available for all with Oddy however. That seemed to me the perfect time to escape from the problem of a ship which most people could not use. it was promised to be an exclusive for those who bought Horizons early doors........... but that i dont think needed to include EDO
I meant free (at no additional cost) in real money terms.
But yeah, just my take. Cheers.
A corollary to this question is, fairly or unfairly, a bit broader:
Does FD believe that they've given value to the LEP?
If so...fair enough, I guess.
If not, what, exactly, is the plan to do so?
They gave us some paintjobs IIRC - from the WIKI: "Lifetime Expansion Pass owners also received free Iridescent Gleam paintjobs for the Anaconda, Federal Corvette, Imperial Cutter, and SRV on December 11, 2018, shortly before the 2018 Festive Countdown sale made them available for other players to purchase."
P.S. I often use the Quattro on the two accounts that qualify. I would be happy for it to be released for general use (then my non-qualifying account can have it too).
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I paid the $180.
Pre-orders are never a sure thing. This was a gamble that I lost and lost badly enough that the ED LEP will be my last pre-order of any kind, ever.
However, I have no resentment over it; even when I bought the LEP I had no illusions that it was some kind of binding promise to save me money over the long run, just a naive hope that my investment would fund a game that would grow subjectively better over time. The money is inconsequential to me and I don't feel I've been cheated, even though I certainly haven't gotten what I hoped for. I have had major issues with the game's trajectory since at least mid-2015. Expanding on pay-to-win, in contrivance of prior practices, is just one more straw on the camel's back.
If you don't feel cheated in some sense why won't you pre-order any more?
Legally Frontier have the whip hand, but to keep the business going they need custom, now and in the future.
If you think a company treats you badly, why give them more money?
Because I'm wiser than I was a decade ago and not every bad deal I've gotten myself into, or bad bet I've made, was the other parties' fault.
I'm making better decisions, not blaming the Frontier of ten years ago for being overly optimistic in their projections or acting like the business that they are.
And customers are, by and large, shortsighted. They also don't have many alternatives in this genre.
Most of the old guard has already spent what they're going to spend. The market Frontier is catering to now are those who are used to not owning anything and are more accepting of microtransactions dictating aspects of gameplay. Few of them are going to know or care about how things were when the game was new; they are going to spend money on the game they have now. Surely some of these players will be disappointed later on, but by then Frontier will already have their money too, on top of a steady revenue stream from those who aren't disappointed enough to stop buying ships and doodads.
I don't.
Without some radical turn around, the last time Frontier will ever have seen a cent from me was six years ago.
There seem to be a few of us fessing up that we aren't giving Frontier money any more for various reasons.
There may not be many others in the ED genre, but that's not the only genre in the sea. I tend to be more of a RPG geezer, Witcher III was the last game I really couldn't put down.
I can't play ED at the moment, my bindings went walkabout and I haven't worked up the enthusiasm to put them back in. I really don't have a bindings problem with other games.
Yeah, Frontier got the bulk of the money I would ultimately spend on the game via the Premium Beta cost in 2014 (£100?). I will admit to having spent some money on arxes for cosmetics since arxes became a thing (2019?), but not much and certainly none in the past year. Having said that, I have enjoyed my time with Elite a great deal and feel like I’ve had my money’s worth.
But I won’t be spending cash to get the Python Mk II early that’s for sure, and I only have about 8000 or so arxes in the kitty from gameplay at the moment. So I’ll wait for ship reviews and 7th August I guess.
Other than that… can you spare an arx or two for a LEPer, chum?
Beginning? Heh, no offense but what rock have you been living under. Beginning.... More like furtherance of the abandoning of the LEP promise. along with a multitude of other promises that Fdev had made.
Oh i made the mistake and bought the LEP at 170€ back then.
FDev told me i get all future updates for free, and there will be a lot updates as the game goes on.
So i payed 50€ for the Game when it came out and 170€ when Horizons did arrive, I cant remember what Horizons did cost 30 or 40€ ? I think so.
So i thought i could be a good deal but i need at least 4 updates to come close to break even with it.
Not to mention i did buy serveral cosmetics for real money.
Elite was a different game back then, more like the original but with more ships, great overall.
After Horizons, FDev did decide future updates will be free, so we had a lot updates but they where free for all. The LEP holder only got beta access.
Something that is ok for testing but it does not affect the original game aside some knowlege you might get from a beta with likely a lot bugs.
The next paid update was Odyssey, i cant recall what it did cost at release 30-40€ maybe ? Was a desaster and unfinished.
After serveral years another paid update i got free because of the LEP.
But still i did not break even with the price and now ED is 10 years old and honestly i dont play it anymore..
I got some paintjobs as comparson for LEP and free updates for all, but i dont use them and its cheap.
Now ppl say new ships like the Pyton mk2 is not an expansion and LEP owners should not get it free.
It will be another free updates on Elite that adds thease and new features to the game. Another free update i was told it will cost money back then.
Of couse LEP owners should have the option to buy the new Pyton without spending arx, ppl had to pay money to have access to betas too i think.
Only LEP owners had free access. It was nice to have but i would not have spend money to have access to a buggy beta.
Basicly i helped FDEV with bug reports to get the new updates fixed.
Yes of couse LEP owners should get the option to buy it as soon as possible. Will i go and buy it? Yeah for the collection but i dont see me playing much more ED because of it.
What i really dislike is adding pay2win options to the game, as always said it will not be possible or added and not it is added.
Its not that you can win with thease ships, but you can gain an advantage over just starting players that dont go that way.
Is it needed ? I think its so easy to earn credits now and a lot players will miss out on the small ships.
Back then it took quite some time to earn credits and small ships added flayvor because it took quite a while before you could buy the big ones.
Elite does lack a good training for new players and a lot stuff is not explained. You have to figure out by your own.
It lacks so much stuff to make this game more accesable to players and new players.
It wastes my free time by beeing in supercruise 50-90% of the time playing.
It wastes my time, because i have to collect materials of all kinds to access Engineering ship, suit and weapons.
Even if you find a option to speed that up it gets deleted from the game so you have to spend even more time to do so.
This was added that players have to do things FDev did add to the game. Well players will do thease things if they are fun, no need to add needed rewards to it.
The thing is doin that like 100 times to obtain the needed stuff gets the whole thing boring.
It hurts the game even more, wasting my free time because of bad in game things is hurting the game.
What FDev did miss is add new fun content, instead they did add more time wasting content and that leaded in decreasing players.
Doin stuff you dont like and gets boring, drives players away.
Has this changed by now or in the next update? I think not. Every time i log into Elite to do something, i have to do time wasting things. I have to stay in SC for a while in order to get somewhere. If i want to do trades most time im in SC. When i go bounty hunting i have to wait for spawns. Warzones had unlimited spawns but did get changed with side missions and winning the battle, leaves me doin time wasting re entrys.
Collecting materials, leaves me with searching and reenter instances from SC. Before i could save some time just by relogging. A good thing because what i get is random.
I dont have a gurantee i get the stuff i want.
So every time i play, i have to deal with time wasting mechanics. Players wont play longer the game because you add them, they will play something else.
If you want ppl play Elite add fun content and not the next ship to kit out and pimp. Leading to collect more materials and time wasting.
FDev told me i get all future updates for free, and there will be a lot updates as the game goes on.
So i payed 50€ for the Game when it came out and 170€ when Horizons did arrive, I cant remember what Horizons did cost 30 or 40€ ? I think so.
So i thought i could be a good deal but i need at least 4 updates to come close to break even with it.
Not to mention i did buy serveral cosmetics for real money.
Elite was a different game back then, more like the original but with more ships, great overall.
After Horizons, FDev did decide future updates will be free, so we had a lot updates but they where free for all. The LEP holder only got beta access.
Something that is ok for testing but it does not affect the original game aside some knowlege you might get from a beta with likely a lot bugs.
The next paid update was Odyssey, i cant recall what it did cost at release 30-40€ maybe ? Was a desaster and unfinished.
After serveral years another paid update i got free because of the LEP.
But still i did not break even with the price and now ED is 10 years old and honestly i dont play it anymore..
I got some paintjobs as comparson for LEP and free updates for all, but i dont use them and its cheap.
Now ppl say new ships like the Pyton mk2 is not an expansion and LEP owners should not get it free.
It will be another free updates on Elite that adds thease and new features to the game. Another free update i was told it will cost money back then.
Of couse LEP owners should have the option to buy the new Pyton without spending arx, ppl had to pay money to have access to betas too i think.
Only LEP owners had free access. It was nice to have but i would not have spend money to have access to a buggy beta.
Basicly i helped FDEV with bug reports to get the new updates fixed.
Yes of couse LEP owners should get the option to buy it as soon as possible. Will i go and buy it? Yeah for the collection but i dont see me playing much more ED because of it.
What i really dislike is adding pay2win options to the game, as always said it will not be possible or added and not it is added.
Its not that you can win with thease ships, but you can gain an advantage over just starting players that dont go that way.
Is it needed ? I think its so easy to earn credits now and a lot players will miss out on the small ships.
Back then it took quite some time to earn credits and small ships added flayvor because it took quite a while before you could buy the big ones.
Elite does lack a good training for new players and a lot stuff is not explained. You have to figure out by your own.
It lacks so much stuff to make this game more accesable to players and new players.
It wastes my free time by beeing in supercruise 50-90% of the time playing.
It wastes my time, because i have to collect materials of all kinds to access Engineering ship, suit and weapons.
Even if you find a option to speed that up it gets deleted from the game so you have to spend even more time to do so.
This was added that players have to do things FDev did add to the game. Well players will do thease things if they are fun, no need to add needed rewards to it.
The thing is doin that like 100 times to obtain the needed stuff gets the whole thing boring.
It hurts the game even more, wasting my free time because of bad in game things is hurting the game.
What FDev did miss is add new fun content, instead they did add more time wasting content and that leaded in decreasing players.
Doin stuff you dont like and gets boring, drives players away.
Has this changed by now or in the next update? I think not. Every time i log into Elite to do something, i have to do time wasting things. I have to stay in SC for a while in order to get somewhere. If i want to do trades most time im in SC. When i go bounty hunting i have to wait for spawns. Warzones had unlimited spawns but did get changed with side missions and winning the battle, leaves me doin time wasting re entrys.
Collecting materials, leaves me with searching and reenter instances from SC. Before i could save some time just by relogging. A good thing because what i get is random.
I dont have a gurantee i get the stuff i want.
So every time i play, i have to deal with time wasting mechanics. Players wont play longer the game because you add them, they will play something else.
If you want ppl play Elite add fun content and not the next ship to kit out and pimp. Leading to collect more materials and time wasting.
I total understand why people feel the LEP wasn't value for money, I've pretty much written it off now. Since the game went to fake money ARX I haven't bought anything I probably never will. Fake currencies like ARX are just a way to hide the real cost so people don't realise the real cost of what was cosmetic items and now includes game boosting items. As for early access to a ship that ultimately will be in the game a few months later, I think I can wait a few months. After all you never know what will be announced later this year for the game it might be another expansion speculation alert who knows?
(ty Dyseqta for the update)
(ty Dyseqta for the update)
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3 months; or a quarter of a year, or 12 weeks, what ever version sounds nicest to you.
I really thought I'd have more to show for the $180 I spent by now. $180 isn't a fortune but dammit, I put my faith in Frontier and they tricked me. They touted all these wonderful "seasons" to come and... well, here we are.
Between Kickstarter and Horizons, the LEP was also available during early alpha/beta days of ED; I bought mine in July 2014 for €40.
In fact I believe that was the first time the name “Lifetime Expansion Pass” was used, and unlike the “unlimited access” Kickstarter pledge, originally the LEP did not confer access to betas — that started with the 1.4 beta in mid-2015, IIRC.
[Edit: made it clear it was also available in 2014]
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You'd think if they were going to give streamers access they'd also just let LEPers have it. 