Lifetime pass and general update questions

[Riverside]

If I am not mistaken, and if you bought the 2015 LEP, you would also have to deduct at least the price of the vanilla game (unless you had it already in which case you got a reduced LEP price), plus the Horizons standalone price and the price of the beta access upgrade, all at the time you bought the LEP, for example.

The 2015 LEP was offered for sale at the same time as the Horizons pre-order, both included the base game, and if you already owned the base game you got £10 (GBP) off. I paid £120 for the LEP because I already owned the base game, so the base game value is not a part of my LEP. Horizons is, the Horizons beta access is, that's it.

I think it would be great for someone from FDev to confirm this stuff, it isn't a secret.

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

Not lying it is change to their product and strategy. There's no fixed live span for ED. Could be final or not but my prediction ED is final. Hope you're right and we get the new Era 2020.

It would be marketing suicide. It would be a monumental blunder of massif proportions. I don't think FDev are that stupid. I see no evidence that it is end of product so how you come to that conclusion is beyond me. If it was they would not have used considrable resources in doing the beyond series of updates and would not be doing the smaller updates being done now. It would be a waste of money. Again I don't think FDev are that stupid.

 

[Riverside]

It would be marketing suicide. It would be a monumental blunder of massif proportions. I don't think FDev are that stupid. I see no evidence that it is end of product so how you come to that conclusion is beyond me. If it was they would not have used considrable resources in doing the beyond series of updates and would not be doing the smaller updates being done now. It would be a waste of money. Again I don't think FDev are that stupid.

So they can just put the LEP back in the shop then, what's stopping them?

 

[-VR- Max Factor]

So they can just put the LEP back in the shop then, what's stopping them?

I don't know. Ask them. Maybe it just wasn't very popular and so are not bothered.

Not sure what that's got to do with ED ending or not.

 

[Viajero]

The 2015 LEP was offered for sale at the same time as the Horizons pre-order, both included the base game, and if you already owned the base game you got £10 (GBP) off. I paid £120 for the LEP because I already owned the base game, so the base game value is not a part of my LEP. Horizons is, the Horizons beta access is, that's it.

Which are precisely the elements that I mentioned, and whose price at the time you bought the LEP were significanlty more than just some "cosmetics" you were referring to earlier:

Deducting anything I gained as an LEPer? That would be the cosmetics we got in December (snowflake & a few other bits) which were gifted as an apology for the protracted delay. The apology was worth something to me, the cosmetics themselves aren't.

The thing is you know all this, it has been discussed before, but you still continue misrepresenting like in this example.

 

[Timpraetor]

I'm an old guy and I'm obviously missing something . When I buy a game and play it to the point that I've either defeated it, run the story through to all possible endings, or just grown weary of it (talking about you, WoW), I look at what I spent versus the entertainment that I received. In the case of E, I'm still flying around, discovering new places and things, meeting up with friends, and basically having a great time. Considering how many hours I have in-game (over 3K), I feel that I've definitely gotten a good entertainment value. Any new content is an expansion of the existing game. I'll play it, and if it suits my game play style, I'll enjoy it. If it doesn't, like CQC, I'll just ignore it. Regardless, I'm having a great time in game and interacting with other players.

 

[Riverside]

Which are precisely the elements that I mentioned, and whose price at the time you bought the LEP were significanlty more than just some "cosmetics" you were referring to earlier:



The thing is you know all this, it has been discussed before, but you still continue misrepresenting like in this example.

What am I misrepresenting? I don't have two accounts, I have one. I had the choice between buying just Horizons, Horizons Beta or the LEP.

I'm sure FDev would be happy to clear up any confusion, let's see what they have to say...

 

[Viajero]

What am I misrepresenting? I don't have two accounts, I have one. I had the choice between buying just Horizons, Horizons Beta or the LEP.

You were misrepresenting what you have already got from the 2015 LEP. It is not just some "cosmetics" as you suggested a few posts ago. It is the vanilla game (unless you had it already), Horizons and the Beta access.

There is not much confusion about this, unless you want to artificially create it.

 

[babelfisch]

Im curious to know how much of a refund they would get if you were to deduct the skins and beta access they received as a LEP owner.

Nothing, because refunds are not an option.

There is not a single reason why they should offer refunds. Sure, some people expected they would've saved 400€ by now. But that's mostly their own problem.
I expected more paid expansions myself when I bought the LEP but I also knew about the 'risks'. I am still happy though because I gained beta access and I know there will be at least one more paid expansion (probably more).
Problem is, some people just bought the LEP because they are greedy and now it didn't went according to their plans. But as I said above, it's their problem...

 

[Riverside]

You were misrepresenting what you have already got from the 2015 LEP. It is not just some "cosmetics" as you suggested a few posts ago. It is the vanilla game (unless you had it already), Horizons and the Beta access.

There is not much confusion about this, unless you want to artificially create it.

There is no confusion at my end Viajero, I don't own two accounts. I paid £10 less because I already owned the base game. You are describing a general rule, I am specifically describing my situation. Nevertheless the general principle of 'unredeemed value' applies to a greater or lesser degree to more than just my situation, whether that includes the base game or not.

As a buyer of the 2015 LEP who bought the base game beforehand/separately my situation represents the worst case in terms of unredeemed value.

I think this would be an excellent opportunity for FDev to clarify the situation.

 

[Riverside]

Nothing, because refunds are not an option.

Clearly it is an option, it is just not a desirable one for FDev. It seems ignoring it & hoping it goes away is their communication method of choice, which I described earlier as disgraceful.

 

[babelfisch]

Clearly it is an option, it is just not a desirable one for FDev. It seems ignoring it & hoping it goes away is their communication method of choice, which I described earlier as disgraceful.

How? Are you going to sue them? Good luck.

I am pretty sure they said that the new era stuff would be paid for content which is covered by the LEP. That's not ignoring it.

 

[Riverside]

How? Are you going to sue them? Good luck.

I am pretty sure they said that the new era stuff would be paid for content which is covered by the LEP. That's not ignoring it.

How's it going? What will it be? Are we still on track? Is there a less vague ETA than the second half of next year yet? Is there an intention to supply sufficient premium content to make the purchase of a 2015 LEP worthwhile?

And importantly, if FDev are unwilling to be as forthcoming as they were, when can we expect to receive refund offers for the LEP value not yet redeemed?

Actions speak louder than words. In the absence of actions, I'm looking for words. And in the absence of words, I'm looking for the option for that unredeemed value to be returned. This has gone on far too long to expect customers to continue to just wait without chasing up progress or wanting to back out of what has turned out to be a very poor deal.

 

[znôrt]

So they can just put the LEP back in the shop then, what's stopping them?

i'd love to see that. it would be the ultimate corporate rickrolling and would probably cause a huge spike in popcorn prices.

 

[DeletedUser191218]

Folks

I pretty much stopped playing, as did the majority of the folks I played Elite with, once the "no substantial content" till 2020 announcement, so forgive me if this has already been answered.

Has there been any announcement as to exactly what lifetime pass holders can expect to be receiving?

Has there been a reveal on any new content?

Any answers, gratefully received.

Truth - the lifetime pass has proven to be a very poor purchase by those who were duped into it but you'll get the usual white knights arguing "there's still time". Had people known there would be one paid expansion between 2014 and 2020 (and an undetermined expansion then) I VERY much doubt there will have been many buyers. FDev should apologise.

 

[Viajero]

There is no confusion at my end Viajero.

There seemed to be. The alternative if there truly wasn´t is that you were indeed misrepresenting what the LEP has already given you, and which is much more than just some "cosmetics":

Deducting anything I gained as an LEPer? That would be the cosmetics we got in December (snowflake & a few other bits) which were gifted as an apology for the protracted delay. The apology was worth something to me, the cosmetics themselves aren't.

As I originally pointed out the 2015 LEP has already given you the base game (unless you already had it), Horizons, and the Beta access. Not just "cosmetics".

That aspect is very clear and not too open for interpretation or clarification.

 

[Riverside]

i'd love to see that. it would be the ultimate corporate rickrolling and would probably cause a huge spike in popcorn prices.

It would show confidence in their ability to deliver enough stuff that it would be worth buying. The situation hasn't changed since 2015, it should be offered at the same price it was in 2015 too.

But of course you are right, it would be foolhardy because that 2015 LEP wasn't good value for money, was it?

 

[Riverside]

(unless you already had it)

I already had it.

 

[Viajero]

I already had it.

But you did not even mention neither Horizons nor the Beta access which you did not have. Only "cosmetics". That was disingenuous misrepresentation on your part about what the 2015 LEP has given already: the base game (unless you already had it), Horizons, and the Beta access. Not just "cosmetics".

 

[Viajero]

So they can just put the LEP back in the shop then, what's stopping them?

Why do you think they put the LEP back on sale in 2015?