Lifetime pass payback time

I don't mind that at all as long as those that did buy a lifetime pass get something back for that. Like all downloadable content for free...

Way back when there was no concept of Seasons even, that came at the end of year one, after release. Lifetime Expansions means just that I think, clue's in the name, and I see no reason whatsoever to doubt, that stands no matter what the pay-to-expand model for non-owners ends up being. Some of the best gaming money I've ever spent already though, even so early, as (nearly) one season in. Long may it continue. Elite!
 
You took a risk. Sometimes risk doesn't pay off.

Life sucks don't it?

No risk at all ... I'm a Premium Beta LEP owner and so far so good, I don't see anything here that makes me think otherwise.

FD will supply me with all future updates and expansion packs as stated when I signed up ... simples ;)
 
With a season 3 looking less likely and FD moving to a more random DLC method of delivery,
You see, you say this authoritatively knowing that no details have been released. So either you are speculating your brains out, or you have inside knowledge none of us do.

As Frontier have committed to Season 3, I doubt it's the latter and therefore can't take you or your post seriously.
 

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Like many here, I've got a lifetime pass. Some people via kickstarter, some paid into. When I jumped in with a lifetime pass, Horizons was for the future but it was known that season 2 would be in the £30-40 range. I thought that with a 10 year plan, maybe 5 seasons (or at least major updates such as Horizons), then it would, in the end, be worth it. I was kind of hoping for something as revolutionary as horizons for S3, 4 etc, but it seems like FD are running out of steam for major gameplay changes.

With a season 3 looking less likely and FD moving to a more random DLC method of delivery, do any of you other paid lifetime pass holders think that you'll get your monies worth from it in the end, or do you feel a little conned by the way things appear to be moving? I've not decided where on the side of the fence I lie at the moment.... (I guess it depends on S3 / 4 or whatever replaces the season idea)

I don't quite understand your concern... You'll get all the releases for free, regardless of the sale model (seasons or separate patches/DLC's), so what's the problem?
 
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Just like OP I'm concerned about updates, they have not been updating the game for long now and many features they promised are not there yet, random DLCs don't make lifetime seasons pass worth cause what we get are seasons, if they start putting everything in Season 2 the value of owning a lifetime pass goes down so I hope they will start releasing at least a season every 2 years, at least until the value of lifetime pass is the same as having bought seasons separately
 

rootsrat

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Just like OP I'm concerned about updates, they have not been updating the game for long now and many features they promised are not there yet, random DLCs don't make lifetime seasons pass worth cause what we get are seasons, if they start putting everything in Season 2 the value of owning a lifetime pass goes down so I hope they will start releasing at least a season every 2 years, at least until the value of lifetime pass is the same as having bought seasons separately

I disagree.

Foe the sake of argument, let's assume you'll get 50 major patches with fixes, enhancements and new content, in total throughout this game's lifetime. What does it matter whether they are delivered as separate patches or as part of 10 seasons consisting of 5 patches each? You still get the same amount of content for the same amount of money you've paid for the LEP.

So how is that lower value, if you get the same stuff for the same price altogether, the only difference being the sale model that does not affect you in the slightest, as you don't ever need to pay for any updates?
 
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They still want to release space legs, atmospheric planets and earth likes. Nothing has changed since they sold the LEP, just the way they are distributing it (which I don't need to care about, that's the point of the LEP).
 
They still want to release space legs, atmospheric planets and earth likes. Nothing has changed since they sold the LEP, just the way they are distributing it (which I don't need to care about, that's the point of the LEP).

No

Dev has now stated If we will do that.

Before 2.0 no one here was doubtfull about elite s future

Now things are very very different from how they were 2 years ago.

That s the difference
 
I expect 8 seasons worth of development otherwise i will feel cheated when paying out for the lifetime pass.

If frontier fail to deliver on my exceptions for a lifetime pass then I'll go SC and I'll never buy a frontier game again.
 
No

Dev has now stated If we will do that.

Before 2.0 no one here was doubtfull about elite s future

Now things are very very different from how they were 2 years ago.

That s the difference

That is not exactly what they said. Atmospheric planets are coming. Could be closer then we think as well.
 
No

Dev has now stated If we will do that.

The dev you're referring to said 'if we get there', acknowledging that it's a massive technical challenge, while also saying at the same time that it's still 'a goal' / 'our end vision', and a core aim of the CEO, and that they're still going for it. IE:

Just to set the record straight, Space Legs and EVA gameplay, that's way off in the future. That's a goal. I've talked to David and it's always been part of his core vision for what Elite really is, even from way back in the day, it's always been about you're a person in a real futuristic setting, not just a ship. However, I think it's also fair to say Space Legs is effectively dovetailing a whole new game into Elite. We take steps towards it, it's our end vision, but we're not there yet, we're... it's a long way off. And when it does, by the time, if we get there, if we manage it, I'm sure we'll have the time to sort out any consistencies that need to be sorted out. [Sandro - 10 March 2017]

Here's a ton of recent quotes which all affirm that Legs & Atmospheres are still planned:

The future for Elite Dangerous is very exciting, including a whole raft of incredible features, yes including 'space legs' but so many more things too. [Braben - 11 April 2017]


[On Legs] It's coming, but obviously it's not imminent. It's coming and it is planned. [Braben - 11 April 2017]


Others have been asking about variants of atmospheres and space legs and things like that. All of the things, and there are lots of other things as well, that we want to do are a way away, because to do them well... Doing an animated character is only part of the problem, you've got to have things to do with it, it's got to be rich, and a great experience. So don't hold your breath, but when it comes it'll be great. It's not coming soon. That's probably the un-hype! [Braben - 19 December 2016]


We have ongoing work on planets, including atmospheres, planetary life, walking about and lots of other very exciting things for the future. [Braben - 26 May 2016]


I understand fears about them not being able to execute, but their stated intent is that they're still going for these things. So that's good, right? :)
 
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A non greedy company with minimal morals would at least give part of the microtansaction items for free to life time backers,as compensation for not releasing enough content.Instead you will get nothing and like it.

Except they did. Free Mercenary Paint for Sidewinder and Cobra, Gold Asp, Black Fridays, 3 Camos for Cobra.

You took a risk. Sometimes risk doesn't pay off.

Life sucks don't it?

Seems to be working great for me? Maybe he bought a LTE for another game?

I don't quite understand your concern... You'll get all the releases for free, regardless of the sale model (seasons or separate patches/DLC's), so what's the problem?

Yeah, but if they didn't imagine all the ills that will befall them then they wouldn't be able to run around screaming and shaking their fist at the heavens. And what's life without drama?
 
Definitely got my money's worth already - many weeks play and 2 seasons. I am expecting more and would be disappointed with no additional content.

Will continue to support developed through occasional bling purchases - how regularly depends on quality of development. The pace of development also leaves a lot to be desired.
 
Lifetime pass = free updates.

Look I will be totally frank about this and this might sound cynical but...

The reason I opted for the lifetime pass was because back then you could see Frontier seemed to like "pushing it" as far as pricing goes.

I honestly don't feel that has changed, you only have to look back to when they wanted to charge to have people see your ship name to see that.

So sorry to be blunt about it, but have faith that Frontier will continue to try to nickel and dime the community.

I think going into season 3 such that it is, we will see a model which over the year will result in a higher cost to non-LEPs who buy all content.

LEPs get free updates right.
 
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I think going into season 3 such that it is, we will see a model which over the year will result in a higher cost to non-LEPs who buy all content.

LEPs get free updates right.

its not really free, LEP owners have simply paid in advance and Frontier accounted for that revenue

revenue growth to Frontier (a share holder company) is not coming from LEP owners in the form of expansions, hence the question of % of LEP owners in the recent active player base.
 
its not really free, LEP owners have simply paid in advance and Frontier accounted for that revenue

revenue growth to Frontier (a share holder company) is not coming from LEP owners in the form of expansions, hence the question of % of LEP owners in the recent active player base.

Yeah sorry of course not free, just a turn of phrase, I am not sure what word you would use in it's place.

I have no idea of stats but it wouldn't surprise me if LEP holders generally make more cosmetic purchases.
 
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Well, it seems like the majority think the pass was worth it. That's unusually positive round these parts. Top job.
 
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