Modes Master Griefer List

[Jockey79]

Yes really. I'll inject humour into my points as I see fit;

Cool, do let us know when you plan to start

git gud hasn't been taken seriously as a phrase for months.

By you maybe. Just because you don't something offensive anymore, doesn't mean others are okay with it.

Bet you're not so keen to throw the "N" word or "C" word about - yet some don't find them offensive at all and some do.
My wife is quite happy to throw the "C" word at someone, normally she uses it with Virgin Media customer services staff.
So I'll tell you what I tell her when she upsets people;

Not everyone is you. Just because you accept something - does not mean we all do.

(You may also note how "Carebear" is censored and you can be temp banned for using it despite it being a very old expression)

As OP's request is against forum rules, they aren't getting any answers as to a list of griefers. So it's either this or threadlock.

They did get answers though, telling the op "no it's against the rules".

So the thread ran its course and you're posting off-topic to keep it alive?
So you admit your trolling then (also against forum rules) by posting "Git Gud" as a response to a list of names request.

You're accusing someone of vitriol by throwing vitriol.

Classic deflection as you've not only been caught trolling but actually admit it above.

In fact, you might even be my long lost griefer sibling. Come here, brother <3

See, here is another reason to watch what you type online;

My oldest brother is missing (J. P. Pickin born 1975, was last seen living in London UK - If anyone can help or knows the name, please message me.) and went missing a week after my other brothers funeral (D. T. Picking born 1977 died 1997, Nuneaton UK). So in a few months, I lost 2 brothers.

Needless to say, some random person defending their trolling / griefing by saying they are my brother - not very funny to me.

(Note for Mod team: The above information is a matter of public record and has also been in the press at the time, so it's not personal info that should be censored, it's all quite public information and has been for some time)

See how careless use of words can really light a fire you didn't intend?
Perhaps when it comes to forum posting, you need to.... erm.... Git Gud

Now I'm going to go and play the game I paid for, how I want to play it.
Just like everyone else can.

 

[StiTch]

See, here is another reason to watch what you type online

Genuine condolences for what you've been through. But...sorry, no; I won't be careful about using the word "brother" because it may or may not have something to do with someone's past.

It reminds me of a post I once saw vehemently shouting down holiday goers for wearing beaded wristbands, because said wristbands are prominent in some religion. No reflection on yourself here but sorry, that's just looking to be offended. People should never go through life watching every word they say, or every action they take, because it has the potential to offend someone. It's a very broad line between hate crime and deliberately taking offense to something to have the opportunity to be self-righteous.

Simple matter here is you took an offhand comment of mine and turned it into a personal argument. My original point was that if OP wants to get into PvP then...where is a better opportunity? Call that trolling if it makes you feel better. If you start a firefight though, do expect me to pull legs. I won't protest to doing that.

 

[Jenner]

Ok, let's settle down a bit. Calling one another 'trolls' pretty much amounts to badgering/harassment and is against forum rules. If a post is over the line report it and it'll be dealt with. Shouting 'troll' at one another isn't helpful

Secondly, I'll reiterate: There is no naming and shaming and no witch-hunting on this forum. No blacklists, KOS lists, public shaming of named commanders or groups, etc.

 

[Stinja]

Secondly, I'll reiterate: There is no naming and shaming and no witch-hunting on this forum. No blacklists, KOS lists, public shaming of named commanders or groups, etc.

So i'll ask again, does it have to be naming and shaming, or can one just name commanders, groups, and group lists?

For example I've posted a link on the forums to the Fuel Rat's leaderboard page, which is publicly available and easily searchable with Google, and we have no rule about hiding the leaderboards, which has our commander names on it.
(note: it's glitched at the moment, so the numbers are not correct)

This is clearly "naming", but it is not "shaming" IMO.

Likewise if other player groups have publicly available lists of their members, posted to be shared, is this "naming" only?

 

[Jockey79]

So i'll ask again, does it have to be naming and shaming, or can one just name commanders, groups, and group lists?

Depends on what you're saying and how you say it.

People call some player groups "pirates", even though we all know they are not an actual pirate group by any stretch of the imagination, they are griefers/ gankers.
But we still call them "pirates" as pointing the other out is naming and shaming.

If you want to sit here and say a person or group of people are amazing players - that's fine.
But calling players or groups of players trolls (even if they are) - as you see by Jenners post, is not allowed.

So in conclusion;

Name and point out helpful behaviour = Okay
Name and point out negative behaviour = Not okay

Even if those you want to publically name take pride in their negative behaviour, you still cannot point them out or what they did even if they don't mind.

This may seem a bit odd and like a huge double standard, but the rule is there to stop false accusations being made and people being harassed on the forums and in-game.
And yes, if you goto Reddit you will see comments/accusations made. Most of which are completely baseless or a misunderstanding.

Simple matter here is you took an offhand comment of mine and turned it into a personal argument.

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/offhand
Ungraciously or offensively nonchalant or cool in manner.

And as you bounce from thread to thread telling people to "Gid Gud" among other things - my comment still stands.
We get it - you told us how you play. Now show everyone else some respect and let them play how they want.

 

[Stigbob]

You can't do it here due to naming and shaming. I don't think it's a good idea anyway, there's too many people willing to exploit false reports.

The best approach to blocking is apply it if and when you personally see the need.

 

[EvE4evah]

You can't do it here due to naming and shaming. I don't think it's a good idea anyway, there's too many people willing to exploit false reports.

The best approach to blocking is apply it if and when you personally see the need.

Hey my friend!!! Nice to see you've changed your views a bit.

Here's to the good fight, brother!!

(please don't link that link)

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

GG, everyone.

 

[EvE4evah]

Wait Cknarf, you're not seriously considering leaving ED or the Forums are you

 

[Stigbob]

Hey my friend!!! Nice to see you've changed your views a bit.

Here's to the good fight, brother!!

(please don't link that link)

Here's to cleaning up open one block at a time.

There's no change at all to be honest the whole "Stigbob wants a massive public blocklist" is a bit like "Stigbob uses block to remove danger from the game", it only ever existed in the minds of those who where worried about it.

 

[CMDR Cknarf]

Nah, dog.

Thats just how I tell everyone on the forums to git gud without the mods getting upset.

 

[Malaus K'han]

Wow. Are all forum threads like this? Sorry I asked about this, I didn't mean for people to get so off lol

I am gonna hop into open tonight and let pirates blow me up over and over

 

[Iskariot]

You want to PvP, but want to separate your game out from PvPers?

Dude, don't just hit the panic button at the sight of the word "griefer". Many murderers out there are the same gimbal-only scrubs that they knock when preying on people.

Git gud, git modified, and git them.

I am not all interested in PVP, but to be fair to the real PvP-minded ED players out there... grieving and ganking is not what PvP is about.
Grieving and Ganking is deviant behaviour.

I admit in practice it is sometimes difficult not to mix them up.
But certain names of individuals and groups, who I will not mention here, will be forever associated with toxic negative behaviour.

 

[Jockey79]

Wow. Are all forum threads like this?

Welcome to Elite: Dangerous, where passions run high.

Now for your next error, use the phrase "it's got Dangerous in the title" in a thread and hold on to your undies, it's a wild ride

 

[Warm Considering]

I was told to ask in this forum instead of the last thread I posted so . . .

I recently joined the game and want to play more in open so I can do some PvP, but the griefers . . yeah, I don't have unlimited time to play and so on, so . . I read a post about blocking people IG< and how those people often are sent to other instances. Logic dictated that perhaps out there, somewhere, is a master list of blatant griefers. Not the once off gankers, but the guys who do nothing but grief at all costs.

Has anyone complied such a list? People on the list I am sure would begin to feel lonely if enough people used it. I would not mind placing the most egregious griefers on a list before I even get into playing in Open often.

Just curious, not trying to antagonize anyone. Thanks!

I played EVE for years, wound up being a super-cap pilot for a small low-sec alliance before super-caps proliferated and became pants. I digress.

The level of greifing in EVE is what it is in large part because CCP has built a game that permits--one can argue encourages--that kind of game play. FDev, however, hasn't. You have at your disposal tools to deal with griefers along with a relatively light death-penalty. The two most important of those tools are private groups and solo mode. Unlike many games, you have a choice to play with the community at large which means if you find yourself being griefed and you insist on Open Play, you largely have yourself to blame.

As has been noted, community goals, new discoveries, anything that brings a large volume of players to one system or region are all rife with murderers. In case you were wondering who "murderers" are, a murderer is a player who attacks and destroys a ship outside Pilot's Federation sanctioned combat, which is to say Power Play. The bounty for murder is fairly high as I understand it, and you can visit a station and get a bounty report for the system that will tell you the last system the highest bounty heads were spotted in. Equip a kill warrant scanner and there's a lot of money to be made hunting these players. Of course, these players have the same tools you do: Private and Solo.

CMDR Stitch also offered you good advice. This game isn't based on arbitrary levels and trained skills. It's based on your personal skill as a pilot, and the best defense is a good offense. Either learn how to evade interdiction (I have a video of me doing that at a community goal), or practice with fixed weapons and outgun your attacker. Learn how to deal with larger ships too, how to target subsystems, how to take advantage of their weaknesses (every ship has a few). You may not be able to destroy your attacker, but you can make it very difficult for them, and maybe even escape. Learning how to use silent running is a good idea too. It's very useful in breaking gimbal locks, scanners, and simply disappearing from their HUD at anything beyond close range. You can't keep it on, but combining it with chaff can make you an extremely slippery target for the common gimbal griefer.

And I stress, if anyone is taking away from the quality of your game play, go solo and let them look for you. Seriously. Don't engage if you don't want to.

Hope this helps.

[video]https://go.twitch.tv/videos/125057747[/video]

 

[Jockey79]

... if anyone is taking away from the quality of your game play, go solo and let them look for you. Seriously. Don't engage if you don't want to.

....

Great advice, just to add that folks can also use the block function to help control who they interact with.

 

[EvE4evah]

Great advice, just to add that folks can also use the block function to help control who they interact with.

… which is a broken feature, a duct tape to the lack of proper C&P and proper instant Police aggression.

Thanks to the Block feature, known gweefahs can easily escape persecution from White Knight role players, for example in Starter Systems and CG systems. Also, Block instancing directives are overwriten by Wing directives. You can block me, but as soon as I wing up with some unblocked pal, I'll still find you all the same.

It's known to pester instancing and be misused by lots of people who "I don't like your face" or "you interdicted me, I'll block", providing further instance pestering. Preemptive block is also a huge problem.

It's also very bad for legit Piracy.

It should definitely be removed from the game, or go back to a Comms-only only block.

Edit: inb4 Stig

 

[Stigbob]

… which is a broken feature, a duct tape to the lack of proper C&P and proper instant Police aggression.

Thanks to the Block feature, known gweefahs can easily escape persecution from White Knight role players, for example in Starter Systems and CG systems. Also, Block instancing directives are overwriten by Wing directives. You can block me, but as soon as I wing up with some unblocked pal, I'll still find you all the same.

It's known to pester instancing and be misused by lots of people who "I don't like your face" or "you interdicted me, I'll block", providing further instance pestering. Preemptive block is also a huge problem.

It's also very bad for legit Piracy.

It should definitely be removed from the game, or go back to a Comms-only only block.

Edit: inb4 Stig

Couple of things here old chap,

It's working (now) as was intended by the devs since pre-release.

Preemptive block is impossible as you can only block players you've been instanced with or who are in your friends list.

The whole idea is that you can choose to block people you don't want play with, if a player finds themselves getting very lonely perhaps they should re-appraise the way they behave towards other people.

Technical details here : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ners-advice-on-dealing-with-griefing-(part-2)

 

[EvE4evah]

Couple of things here old chap,

It's working (now) as was intended by the devs since pre-release.

Preemptive block is impossible as you can only block players you've been instanced with or who are in your friends list.

The whole idea is that you can choose to block people you don't want play with, if a player finds themselves getting very lonely perhaps they should re-appraise the way they behave towards other people.

Technical details here : https://forums.frontier.co.uk/showt...ners-advice-on-dealing-with-griefing-(part-2)

Hey there, buddy!

 

[[VR] optimal_909]

OP, FYI blocking any player may easily put into the same instance with you. Last time I was caught off guard I was griefed by a player who was on my block list... and I don't get griefed often, probably 4 times over the past 2+ years.