We must have collectively hallucinated the devs reiterating how pleased they are with the shared universe, then.
Modes Mega ships open only content?
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We must have collectively hallucinated the devs reiterating how pleased they are with the shared universe, then.
Robert Maynard
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.... which is why the "debate" has been ongoing for nearly six years now....
.... and, if it were to change, the arguments would just change direction, not stop.
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Repped, great analogy
Unfortunately, some here think we should play their brand of football and all others are made illegal. Plus they don't quite know how to play their brand of football and keep on making up their own rules yet expect everyone else to know those rules even if they don't!
Can you not generalise, please?
"The PvPers" are not a hive-mind, neither are the very few vocal PvPers in this thread representative of everyone who enjoys PvP in this game.
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I watched a film many many years ago (black and white or before we had colour TV) with someone -i think it was a witch of some kind - demaning Odin to change the wind and stop the tide coming in.......
Can't remember what happened. I have a feeling she drowned
Who is who in this analogy, are the (specific section of ) pvpers the ones demanding the tide change or is it the pveers who are blind to the tide coming in as FD inevitably see the light?.
Us pveers have had to sacrifice so much already for the MMO part of the game as it stands (the BGS). I really hope it gets no worse and tbh I do not think it will
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Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Very good point.
It's a bit like saying "all PvE players hate PvP" - which is equally untrue.
I think it can be taken as a given that they are referring to the few vocal PvPers that have been complaining rather than specifically PvPers in general. This is a long running debate that has been going on for years, and it seems to be the same few names that crop up each time.
On topic though - none of the announced pending changes/additions to date include open only restrictions/caveats and FD's team have made their position clear that the mode agnostic approach is here to stay for the foreseeable future.
True. I'd love to call them idiots instead but sadly that would be against the forum rules.
I think it can be taken as a given that they are referring to the few vocal PvPers that have been complaining rather than specifically PvPers in general. This is a long running debate that has been going on for years, and it seems to be the same few names that crop up each time.
Let's simply just not generalise. No need to find excuses for it, Jefranklin18 has edited his post to avoid tarring all PvPers with the same brush. Thanks Jefranklin18, much appreciated
Who are the real griefers here ? Some random group on a Private server killing off your faction? Or the guy that shoots you to take your cargo? The fuel rats will probably have to work for a lot longer than it would take to replace that cargo and rebuy to undo the damage that's been done to their faction by a private group
Neither?
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
Playing the game as intended is not griefing.
.... therefore affecting the BGS from any mode is not "griefing", even if some players consider it to be.
Being shot at in a multi-player game mode in a game where ships can fit weapons is probably not griefing - context matters in that respect.
I would say neither. I like fuel rats and would never attack their faction but if done using legitimate game mechanics and not bots then it is all good. The rats did the right thing a callout to the community to try to help ..... Competitive PvE working as intended.
Players stealing cargo aka piracy Also core feature of game and if in open or PG which allows it is also fine.
Hell even going on a killing spree like 90skid is threatening IS part of the game that anyone in open or PGs which allow it accept when going into those modes.
I personally don't enjoy that kind of gameplay and is what made me leave open. Overall I personally feel those people are detrimental to the health of open due to the massive asymmetric nature of it but anyone in open accepts it by going in.
Fuel Rats are going to lose because they left it too late to act. There's plenty that could have been done before fighting even started. The mode or platform their opposition used is irrelevent.
Ian Phillips
Volunteer Moderator
Back on topic please, or off this thread goes to the hotel.
It seems to me that if the Fuel Rats (which are notionally a loosely affiliated group of CMDRs with a core group of official members) can not drum up enough support to protect their in-game interests then perhaps the problem is more internal than external.
The actions of others outside of your instance can not be considered griefing as the political position of any given minor faction does not have an inherent direct impact on the CMDRs that support said minor faction.
How this relates to the Megaships not being Open only content is beyond me though.
"Griefers" don't kill clean CMDRS to take cargo- they're usually not interested in cargo. And with the lack of "piracy" options for gameplay at present, it can't even be justified as "piracy with a purpose", either. No, it's not difficult to "define" griefing for what it really is.
As to your speculation as to "who's responsible?", who knows? For all any of us know, it could be simply a tactic from a griefer group to annoy other players out of spite simply because they can't get their way. I doubt very seriously, however, there's a group of "organized Solo players" or even Mobius PvE that would specifically target a group like the Fuel Rats, when the Fuel Rats are known for being benevolent. If I had to speculate- I'd say it's a group of players that want to poke holes in the game so they can justify changes they want made, which may eventually end up running another course entirely... such as more restrictions and safeguards being placed into the game instead.
Personally, while I understand the plight of the Fuel Rats (a group which I actually respect for their service to others, rather than "servicing themselves", which is what some tend to do) I think their efforts are best spent querying Frontier as to more tools being made available to understand who's actually responsible for such attacks so they can respond accordingly instead of blindly flailing about on the forums in anger at anyone/everyone.
Excellent. No use wasting any more time going on and on and on about it. It will happen anyway.
Moderators might as well close threads that talk about this. I mean, they are getting stick about that already even though Moderators closing these kinds of threads has more to do with the generally unpleasant attitude of the Open Only crowd than an organised persecution.
So ... how about them megaships eh?
Don't care about the bleeding megaships, I want to know how many probes fit on the head of a pin!