I hate needle in haystack gameplay. It's like just wasting time. Give miners the tools to find stuff, and I mean tools - not dice.
MINING after new update
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Tried mining again yesterday. Went to a different system. Slightly better results, but the PWS is still a problem.
Laser mining seems to be the only method, without PWS. If I encounter surface deposits or cores, oh well.
Laser mining seems to be the only method, without PWS. If I encounter surface deposits or cores, oh well.
I'm starting out and worked my way into a Type 6. I was thinking about trying core mining, after seeing this thread I won't bother now.
I've got a problem with Painite laser mining too, I've tried both Painite hotspots in the metal rich B ring of GCRV 1568 but prospecting with full loads of limpits got absolutely none out of either. I had better luck randomly dropping into the metallic A ring, even so after 3 trips I am only getting 10 - 15 tons per trip (plus some more platinum). Making it to the sell point has seen me get killed off a couple of times too
Am I doing something wrong? I did expect at least something from the Painite hotspots.
Any advice on where to go for better returns such as Saltyseadog's would be appreciated.
We need Mr. Lizard, but he's been gone for a while.
I mine mostly for raw materials now. Deep outside the bubble, with pristine rings, is all I can suggest. A T-6 can get there.
For painite laser mining, you need a metallic ring, not metal rich mate. Pristine gives best results.
I can't be certain in saying this, but I think the hotspots in metal rich are for mining core painite, which I think is knackered at the moment. Not gospel on that though.
Hope this helps,
The Hat
For painite, Metal Rich ring hotspots are core only and Metallic ring hotspots are surface laser only. So it's highly unlikely you're gonna get anything to laser mine in a Metal Rich Painite HS. In a single Painite HS in a Metallic ring the yields are quite high ranging from about 20% to 60%.
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Metallic rings especially pristine ones are where you get the get the best results laser mining. You will also see a lot of mining threads saying drop into the hotspot and head for the planet when mining as this will keep you from doubling back on yourself. Obviously having an idea of your direction while mining is important but personally heading for the planet to my mind is counter productive as you are heading out of the section of ring you dropped into. To me mining means follow the seam which is circumferencial so what I do is head for the hotspot of my choice and head for the yellowest part of the ring in as straight a line to the hotspot as possible. Before the rings became coloured you would head for the whitest part of the ring which had the heaviest amount of asteroids then drop down lower, reduce speed to less than 1000ms and drop into the ring about 750k-1000k from the hotspot. If I have done it right this will keep the hotspot in front of me and the planet either to left or right just as easy to keep me heading in the right direction and I head for the hotspot prospecting mostly the smaller almost circular roids which I find are best for painite. Before starting to mine I find it best wait untill the inevitable npc pirates come and scan you and find you a waste of time for carrying only limpets.
When full up or ready to leave set a course for the nearest empty system as a backup then set the course for whichever station you are heading to in your present system and enter supercruise. If you are attacked then don't try and run, submit, immediately set your throttle to zero which will let your FSD recover quicker and with all 4 pips to engines boost away, when your FSD recovers press whichever control you have set to next system in line and hyperjump out of system where the NPC cannot follow you. Wait until your shields recover and jump back to your sales system, normally you shouldn't have any more trouble but if you do then just repeat the previous.
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Yesterday and today I mined Painite in Metallic ring, about 1000 ly from Bubble, and was surprised - I found painite not only for laser mining, but also SD, SSD, and even one core
asteroid. It's single hotspot. PWA works so-so, in the beginning there's nothing, later it works normally, I can see distant glowing rocks, often in small groups. And it's possible to
find painite in good percentage even in dark (non-glowing) rocks. By the way I collect Osmium, Samarium, Praseodymium also by laser mine, abrasion, and sub-surface mining.
I'm satisfied because there's no empty driving for nothing, there's always something to do, in different ways, different tools.
Maybe it's dangerous to write "I'm satisfied" because if somehow it comes to Fdevs, they will immediately destroy it, as usual.
asteroid. It's single hotspot. PWA works so-so, in the beginning there's nothing, later it works normally, I can see distant glowing rocks, often in small groups. And it's possible to
find painite in good percentage even in dark (non-glowing) rocks. By the way I collect Osmium, Samarium, Praseodymium also by laser mine, abrasion, and sub-surface mining.
I'm satisfied because there's no empty driving for nothing, there's always something to do, in different ways, different tools.
Maybe it's dangerous to write "I'm satisfied" because if somehow it comes to Fdevs, they will immediately destroy it, as usual.
Those are of the class D-Berry. They appear darker from a distance than most other rocks. Contrary to popular myth, they do not contain fibrous mats.
Oh, if it has eyes, shoot it.
I doubt its intentional. Pulse wave on first try shows no or maybe one glowing ice ball, start flying, continuing pulse wave, and I’m flying past one that never showed prior. Definitely a glitch.
Could this be some sort of server lag thing? It needs to retrieve enough information to know if rocks ought to glow or not and additional delay has crept in so this and/or local caching of data reduced now makes this process more noticeable via PWS false returns?
I've had PWS issues before that look rather like this so perhaps just more frequent now?
Meantime my own middle of nowhere mining experiment also continues... Been distracted scanning things
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I just cashed out my PWS and seismic charge launcher. I'm doing much better not chasing the not-so-hot rocks, and just shooting random rocks.
I wonder if Mr. Space Loach thinks I've had enough Personal Narrative after six years, and six thousand hours?
I wonder if Mr. Space Loach thinks I've had enough Personal Narrative after six years, and six thousand hours?
Yeah, hmm.Could this be some sort of server lag thing? It needs to retrieve enough information to know if rocks ought to glow or not and additional delay has crept in so this and/or local caching of data reduced now makes this process more noticeable via PWS false returns?
I've had PWS issues before that look rather like this so perhaps just more frequent now?
Meantime my own middle of nowhere mining experiment also continues... Been distracted scanning things
So definitely seeing some odd popping in behaviour with the PWS. Almost felt like it would suddenly realise one rock ought to be highlighted then would pop in a few others while it was there before going finiky again. Seemed like I'd have something pop in about 2.5k out with various things behind that, could just be coincidence though.
Also not a wiff of Void Opals in the pristine rings Void Opal hot spot of an out of the way system, that was prospecting glowy (when they did) rocks and non-glowy rocks. So there is that as well. Plenty of Tritum though
Might just kit out for pure exploration for a bit..
Any chance of a reaction from FD? I mean things have been going pretty well since the livestream and I'm sure they are keeping an eye on the forums.. I'm sure they keep an eye on things anyway but still. Prod, prod..
Not just mining... there needs to be a significant move away from "gambling" in video games, IMO.
If I want to gamble I'd go play a roulette table, card game or slot machine. The trend of RNG is a blight in the gaming industry designed to double-dip customers once they've been primed with RNG mechanics becoming the norm.
That's the thing.
The improvements to mining were good, don't get me wrong, but they're not great.
The whole thing needs to be more, I dunno, "organic" IMO.
The thing where DC 'roids are visually identifiable was a start but there need to be much, much, more of that.
I should be able to tell what's likely to be in a 'roid by the size/shape/colour of it and I should be able to detect trends within a ring too.
For example, if I locate a few small 'roids with low concentrations of Painite in them there should be a big 'roid somewhere nearby with a "motherlode" of Painite in it.
An orbital ring system is, after all, a collosal centrifuge that's been running for millions of years so the stuff in one shouldn't be completely random.
It should all have stabilised into bands of similar stuff so it should be possible to use experience and knowledge to figure out where to go and whether you're going in the right direction too.
Kind of like the way Minecraft places blocks of terrain which gradually transition from one biome to another.
You don't (usually) get a block of gold ore buried in sand.
Instead you'll get sand, then sandstone, then rock, then rocks with iron-ore, then blocks with coal and then, finally, blocks with diamond in them.
It's all generated procedurally but it's predictable rather than random.
ED should take a look at that and try and emulate that kind of system.
I just cashed out my PWS and seismic charge launcher. I'm doing much better not chasing the not-so-hot rocks, and just shooting random rocks.
I wonder if Mr. Space Loach thinks I've had enough Personal Narrative after six years, and six thousand hours?
Indeed.
I have AspX "prospector" miners which have all the toys, which I built with the intention of using for exploring rings to decide whether or not they were good places to mine.
I then have DC mining Pythons, which are fitted with PWAs, mining charges and abrasion blasters.
I then have my good ol' T10s, which have all the lasers and collectors.
The only ship I bother mining in are he T10s... because at least when I'm flying them I'll be doing what I expected to be doing; shooting rocks with lasers and collecting fragments while listening to CCR and Led Zep'.
THIS. DEFINITELY THIS.
I'm no gambler, and I hate games that are basically just RNGs at their core. I can write my own programs that do that.
As a gambler, I think these are lousy tables. IRL, I would walk out to another casino. If there was one.
I am at mining/exploration trip, so this is mining report from far outside the boubble. Yesterday just for fun i jumped in a single Void Opal hotspot and found 2 asteroids with VO cores in 15 minutes so it cant be that bad. But again i keept speed around 180m/s and maked turns of ship not only looking around - this coz there are some problems with data taking too long to generate cores on puls wave scaner so we cant boost 500m/s as we used to.