No Single Player Offline Mode then? [Part 2]

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I could easily say that.

What makes us human (as opposed to most other animals) is culture.

Culture is the free exchange of information, to the mutual enrichment of all involved (society).

Trying to restrict that goes against culture, against progress, against basic human nature.

And it doesn't work, anyway.

What SybSynk said and: The definition of culture does not include FREE

1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period:
Greek culture.
4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group:
the youth culture; the drug culture.
6. Anthropology. the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.
 

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I could easily say that.

What makes us human (as opposed to most other animals) is culture.

Culture is the free exchange of information, to the mutual enrichment of all involved (society).

Trying to restrict that goes against culture, against progress, against basic human nature.

And it doesn't work, anyway.

Well when you spend half your life come big up with the next big idea and see it taken by people that believe it is theirs by right then come back and say if you still believe this.
 
I hope there is a significantly strong anti piracy measure in place, DRM would be fine by me.

Guess that also throws modding into the dump heap along with the offline mode.

Uh, well, okay, name me some online only mmo's that allow you to mod their game.

If that was what you were initially trying to argue then I wouldn't have said it was tosh. You were suggesting that anti-piracy measures prevent modding. Nice try.

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I might be wrong, but Wolfenstien?

Bait and switched his argument, irony is delicious.
 
And unfortunately capitalism is the antithesis of culture but dominates our world. Unless you expect artists to work for free?

This is the XXI century.

I expect people not to have to work whatsoever.

A whuffie-based economy would probably be a good compromise, though.

Shame to say it but the modern world does not work like this, piracy although widespread is not ok and really just a form of theft.

As a music producer myself i choose to give away some pieces of music for free but if i slave away for days/weeks to make something and want to actually make some money from it, who are you to say you want it for free?!

It's free publicity.

And if I'm getting it for free (and if people want something that can be infinitely copied for free no amount of DRM is going to stop them) it'll be because I don't think it's worth more (or because I'm not given the opportunity to pay what I would consider a fair price).

In any case, I'll share Gaiman's video again:

[video=youtube;0Qkyt1wXNlI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Qkyt1wXNlI[/video]
 
If that was what you were initially trying to argue then I wouldn't have said it was tosh. You were suggesting that anti-piracy measures prevent modding. Nice try.

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Bait and switched his argument, irony is delicious.

Sorry, don't try to tell me what I was writing. I was talking in reference to THIS game. No offline means no modding. So, nice try.
 
Sorry but where did i state a ToS would have anything in it that is illegal or abusive?!

Many players of various games have tried and failed to get around the ToS of certain games and all to my knowledge have failed.

Take a look at this for instance http://us.ncsoft.com/uk/legal/user-agreements/guild-wars-2-rules-of-conduct.php

Note this part as its relevant to the the point i was making...

"You may not buy, sell, transfer or auction (or host or facilitate the ability to allow others to buy, sell, transfer or auction) , or offer to transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction, any game Account "

You cannot avoid clicking "i agree" if you want to even play the game and when doing so you enter a contract which in a court of law is just as valid as any other contract you willfully accept.

What I'm trying to explain you is that clicking "I agree" doesn't mean a thing for clauses that contradict existing laws and madates.

In the EU there has been a decision that resale of digital game downloads are permitted. So you can definitely sell a game. If the game is "tied" to an account, I guess that the onus is on the company to "untie" it. Otherwise it denies you your legal right on selling the game.

And yes, the bundled account thing is still a bit blurry. But historically, EU judicial system sides with the consumer on such disputes.
 
Well when you spend half your life come big up with the next big idea and see it taken by people that believe it is theirs by right then come back and say if you still believe this.

That is sooo ouch. I've seen ebooks I have written being sold by the same online retailer for 10 times the cost of what I'm selling it for. I didn't include DRM in the costs.
 
This is the XXI century.

It's free publicity.

And if I'm getting it for free (and if people want something that can be infinitely copied for free no amount of DRM is going to stop them) it'll be because I don't think it's worth more (or because I'm not given the opportunity to pay what I would consider a fair price).

I don't care if its the 31st century its still theft!

To have the century quoted as though it makes a difference to their argument by someone arguing for a offline mode in a multiplayer game tho is a tad silly, don't you think?
 
What SybSynk said and: The definition of culture does not include FREE

1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.
2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.
3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period:
Greek culture.
4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group:
the youth culture; the drug culture.
6. Anthropology. the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.

Remove the word "culture" then, if you want:

What makes us human (as opposed to most other animals) is the free exchange of information, to the mutual enrichment of all involved (society).

Trying to restrict that goes against against progress, against basic human nature.

And it doesn't work, anyway.



Well when you spend half your life come big up with the next big idea and see it taken by people that believe it is theirs by right then come back and say if you still believe this.

If it still benefits everyone (which includes me), why not? (I'd still like attribution, though, but that's just my personal vanity.)

If they restrict it though, then that's precisely the situation I was criticising in the first place.
 
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