Well, if you don't want to spoil your game, just play offl... oops.
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Well, if you don't want to spoil your game, just play offl... oops.
Errm... then don't watch the youtube videos, were they to be made? Hell, it is likely someone will find a bunch of secrets in a few weeks after release anyway. Do you plan on spoiling your own fun regardless?
Like I said earlier. From a gaming perspective this is very last decade. Singleplayer gaming is experiencing a boom these days. Thankfully plenty of quality developers realised that online has both advantages and disadvantages, there is room for both. I thought Frontier got this with the offline version (and to a lesser extend solo mode) but apparently they don't.
Just stop. Please, just stop. If you know anything about procedural generation, if you know anything about random seeding and how to generate content based on procedural code and rulesets, just stop making these comments. If you do not, then please stop making comments upon topics that you -really- have no idea about.
I can assure you that not only is it quite feasible to pack a proceedurally generated galaxy onto a computer with pseudo random generated missions, NPC's and whatnot, but it's also very much possible to keep the vast bulk of them persistent in a database with the relevant lookups. This is not even technically difficult. Elite's -done- it in their previous games, so has the entire X series, along with a lot of other games in the meantime. So, just stop.
I saw that, classy, David. Really classy.
That doesnt make any sense, surely a formal apology would alleviate some of the bad blood this has caused, FD looks bad now why make it worse?
As far as I understand it, Limit Theory is doing exactly this - and all made by a lone developer...(Well Limit Theory is actually capable of generating universes of infinite size!! Wonder how a PC will store and process that lol
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Yep, I think people feel, because of online gaming, devs have mysteriously forgotten how to code a single player game.
Most definitely. If it's a multiplayer game with a centralised server, then a mod could offer an unfair advantage to a single or group of players (the one running the mod). Since the argument used by the developers for not having an offline mode is that they don't want to compromise their vision of the game, even if they COULD offer modding capabilities in a multiclient system, I very much doubt they will, lest if pollute their ideals.
EDIT: Whoops! The thread I was replying to has been moved/merged with this one. Makes sense, but still...
EDIT: Whoops! The thread I was replying to has been moved/merged with this one. Makes sense, but still...
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It does seem that way. Unless I've missed it FD haven't made any statements about mods, although it is difficult to see how they could be supported without an offline mode or private servers.
So, we have payed this game a lot only to be treated as criminals now with constant checks and requirements to be online for every interaction with the game? That is really not the game I have paid for!
Can't definitively answer that but perhaps they simply don't think they've done anything "wrong" and see it as just another design decision. Perhaps they just don't give a damn! That's certainly the impression I got when I saw DB's retweet and read the writer's blog.
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As far as I understand it, Limit Theory is doing exactly this - and all made by a lone developer...(Well Limit Theory is actually capable of generating universes of infinite size!! Wonder how a PC will store and process that lol
Limit theory is a very good example of procedural generation as a whole, and people who are not entirely sure about the process really should watch the youtube series, it's a good education as to how it works.
Does it mean it is automatically better if it is online? And how better (and why, and to whom)? Also, I am just expressing my opinion on having options (you know, the good stuff for us, consumers). Is having it both ways - online and offline - worse than having it constrained to just one form?
And thanks for the warm welcome!
WW is telling you that you have no clue on what you are talking about, and I agree 100 percent. I wish I had time to explain everything about elite and programming, but I hope you research it yourself.
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I imagine from homosapiens, he doesn't like people. Hence the wish for offline.
Frontier: Elite 2 had millions of star systems and the entire game fit into the 500 kilo (not mega!) bytes of an Amiga. That's everything. Sound, graphics, code... and... the milky way.
It's how procedural generation works.
You don't compute every star or NPC actor. You compute the potential sum of the effects they might have if they were there.
It doesn't have to.As far as I understand it, Limit Theory is doing exactly this - and all made by a lone developer...(Well Limit Theory is actually capable of generating universes of infinite size!! Wonder how a PC will store and process that lol
If it saves a single position - where you are in the galaxy - then it will generate the entire star system around you on the fly... based on this position and the universe "seed".
Every time you spawn there, it will look the same. If you go elsewhere, this piece of the galaxy completely ceases to exist.
(it's a bit more involved but that's the principle)
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What happens when you sync YOUR version of the universe with FDs? Do you expect to keep your changes and also FDs updates? What if they changed something vital and it wipes out your single player stats or something. Now FD has to keep track of every users SP bugs/whining too aside from all the other stuff. Aint gonna happen.
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