For me its like I buy a Lamborghini. And they forgot to put in a wonderbaum
No Single Player offline Mode then?
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Easy there now, let's not get ourselves worked up into a lather huh?
I cut out the bits of your post that are just speculation, hope that's ok with you.
No its like a dealer is building a car that should give you 600hp....But then he tells you before its finished it will only likely be 550bhp.....And has to offer you a refund..
Internet is not a point. I have excellent internet connection. The point is I hate MMO. I don't like playing them and never will like playing them. That is my choice I have right on.
Yes, I have solo. Which I can not use when I travel. I can not pause the game. I can not even play the game uninterrupted for hours daily. I have jobs to do. I have to answer the door. I pause the game. I have a life to live and do not need to live paralel life on online server forcing me to play when I do not have the time or will. I expect to play the game on my pace. wherever and whenever I want. Servers down or not. Internet available or not. I do not want to see other players, feel their presence or be influenced by their actions in any way. I expect to save game, return in the month time, load a game and continue the battle I was fighting or see the same situation on the market as it was when I have left. that's why many of us loved frontier.
That was promised to me. that game mode. Thats why we are so mad!
Hope I made it clearer to you
Analogy needs to be the other way round? I propose ED is the beautiful gleaming car and 'offline mode' the spare tyre that the vast majority of us never use or need... and replaced with puncture repair gel anyway or 'alpha/beta access' you might say?
Offline mode is HALF the game!? you have to be joking.
I cut out the parts were you were threatening and insulting, good luck with THAT attitude!
See you later all, just wanted to make sure you knew that the rest of us know what you are trying to pull, even though some are too polite to mention it.
Don't say you are wrong, but do you got any relevant statistics about that vast majority?
Even if you are right, it still leaves us with FDs questionable ethics.
Hmmm looks quite interesting thnx for the heads up!
Let me tell you my story.
I had never heard about Elite before CR sent the nod over to their Kickstarter. The more I checked out the project, the more I looked into the past Elite games. That got me more engaged with the community and that led to more discovery of the depth and love that both DB and the community have for Elite. I was both impressed at what I discovered and disappointed that I had missed out on such an awesome world.
I was very interested, but I was not convinced yet.
I am very leery of online MMOs. I don't like them on principle and I will never support anything with any form of DRM. I was on the fence for a long while.
I got really excited as I read the updates to the FAQ, the AMA responses, the many places that David and Michael said over and over that even though they are shooting for an awesome online experience, that they would definitely support offline play. They even created new reward tiers specially catered to those wanting an offline, DRM-free experience.
So, I was finally convinced that I would have years upon years of awesomeness in store. I pledged for the "Physical DRM-free collector's premium boxed edition".
I was elated on the success of the kickstarter because it was very much up to the wire. I remember how quickly the celebratory comments rolled in that day. I was there. Rejoicing with you all at our accomplishment. I went back to the comments section day after day to direct folks to the forum and help out where I could. I made sure to befriend all of those fine folks that I had met during the kickstarter on the forums.
And then life. I enjoyed the newsletters and the video updates. My excitement was quietly building over the almost 2 years now. I would save screenshots. I would keep my client up to date, but I never logged in because I was too busy. I was waiting and every indication was that Elite was going to be really great. I would catch a youtube video here and there.
I found some time and logged in and was able to play 1.5 tutorial missions. Then more life. I tried online once for maybe 20 minutes, but it had been too long since the last time and I died pretty quickly for something stupid because I had forgotten how to play. No worries, it looked great, and the release was coming soon, when I could explore at my leisure.
You guys see the exploration video of the guy that had an absolute blast discovering the planets around the binary star? Yeah, that really got me excited.
And then David ripped my still beating heart out of my chest 5 days ago. It is clear that there will never be offline support. WTH is this "solo" junk. WTH HAPPENED TO MY ELITE???????
I have no interest in an online-only MMO. I asked for my money back. "Sorry, you downloaded the software, shuffle off" is the reply everyone is getting. I haven't gotten that email yet, but I am expecting it like the condemned waits for the guillotine to fall.
Elite is dead to me now....or perhaps I am dead to Elite. It is damn sad. I didn't want it to be this way. I had absolutely no control over this. And yet so many of you accuse me of horrible intentions because I am just asking for my money back.
Frontier is going to make the Elite that they want to make, that is great for everyone that wants an online MMO. But I don't. And that is not what I signed up for. David promised me offline support...and I believed him.
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IndeedInternet is not a point. I have excellent internet connection. The point is I hate MMO. I don't like playing them and never will like playing them. That is my choice I have right on.
Yes, I have solo. Which I can not use when I travel. I can not pause the game. I can not even play the game uninterrupted for hours daily. I have jobs to do. I have to answer the door. I pause the game. I have a life to live and do not need to live paralel life on online server forcing me to play when I do not have the time or will. I expect to play the game on my pace. wherever and whenever I want. Servers down or not. Internet available or not. I do not want to see other players, feel their presence or be influenced by their actions in any way. I expect to save game, return in the month time, load a game and continue the battle I was fighting or see the same situation on the market as it was when I have left. that's why many of us loved frontier.
That was promised to me. that game mode. Thats why we are so mad!
Hope I made it clearer to you
I do understand that you are disappointed and frustrated over the decision.We all have different visions how to play this game. Ive never ever thought of even try the offline mode as I have the options to play online and are used to do so in many other games.
Well I hope you stay in the game even if its not suitable from what you want or cant. maybe later when you get used to the fact that you cant play offline you find ways around.
Or online is a car, whilst offline is the free bicycle that was advertised but wasn't actually included, because cars are apparently better. Occasionally, people run out of gas miles from the nearest station. It might have been good to have that free bicycle in the back of the car then.
Do you know what ......Black is white to so many people.....No matter how you explain it ....what you show them it doesn't matter.
There is nothing on this earth that will even make them consider anything else...
FD ripped them off ...it was all planned.....etc etc
I have been on many kickstarters that have not delivered....Lost the money.....not got what I thought...and am still waiting on a few that are over a year late...
Thank god the only thing I lost here was offline mode.....If this is your first kickstarter or crowd funding you have no idea how lucky you are..
Anyone on SC get off now unless you want to take the risk.....Even that could go pear shape....
There is nothing on this earth that will even make them consider anything else...
FD ripped them off ...it was all planned.....etc etc
I have been on many kickstarters that have not delivered....Lost the money.....not got what I thought...and am still waiting on a few that are over a year late...
Thank god the only thing I lost here was offline mode.....If this is your first kickstarter or crowd funding you have no idea how lucky you are..
Anyone on SC get off now unless you want to take the risk.....Even that could go pear shape....
This game, Limit Theory, should be out some time next year, and damn does it look good! Not to mention that it is also a SINGLE player, OFFLINE, PG game, that will NOT require constant attachment to the internet umbilical cord.
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Still you would want some compensation... I'm sure. And I really meant the engine, because people who complained have valid reasons that the game is not playable for them. As I said, I have no problem with internet still woud like a real pause, but can live with savw and exit, just the mission time not stopping is a pest!
Others can't simply move to another country to get latency down, or abandon their family to play MMOGs for the rest of their lives, etc.
Stop playing this down please, there are good reasons to want a refund, for a lot of people.
Reading right now NL 50...and ask myself....WHY NOT EARLIER THIS.....
Why not wrote this all in NL 49 ??????
That is cleary written. ..nothing hidden...still bad for offliner....but more honestly.
If they do that before many of this stress which we have this week never must happen.
It heals not all wounds but is a good way...
Too all which want a refund....don't update to beta 3.9 or 3.09 because testing an beta and decide it is not for me is one thing.... continued playing another.
Why not wrote this all in NL 49 ??????
That is cleary written. ..nothing hidden...still bad for offliner....but more honestly.
If they do that before many of this stress which we have this week never must happen.
It heals not all wounds but is a good way...
Too all which want a refund....don't update to beta 3.9 or 3.09 because testing an beta and decide it is not for me is one thing.... continued playing another.
I ALWAYS object to having my posts misrepresented in ANY manner, and no it's not alright but then that sort of thing appears to be in line with your displayed personality.
As for getting worked up you couldn't be further from the truth if you tried, I have been around the block and back MORE than once in my 60 years and FD's behaviour - as well as your own dispalyed attitude are nothing new and CERTAINLY nothing whatsoever to get worked up about.
On another forum I post on there is an 'ignore' function and that poster's 'contributions' are no longer visable to you, sadly that doesn't apply here.
How about:
Announce second offline game to be developed in 2015, release in time with a perfect online experience. Receive praise and new sales funding develoment of second offline game. All without getting a storm, bad reputation, negative press and losing revenue?
And they could have invested developers and funds into that second offline game instead of 'additional ships', etc. in the first place... if you see that a project needs more ressources to meet one of its committed deliverables, you need to act, maybe raise or shift additional budget, but definitely not dropping the committed deliverable without even asking the customer... in real business you are sure to start a dirty law suite with such an action.
I have earlier advised those who seek refunds not to start their game anymore. I haven't since last friday. It just doesn't fly to ask for refunds while in the meantime you keep using the product. It's even better to uninstall, but there's no way on Frontier's end to verify that you uninstalled when you never logged in anymore. (weird sentence, but I hope that people get what I'm trying to say.)
At any rate, when you want to refund, updating to the next stage is, when you're looking to get refunded, the wrong signal to give. The first thing anyone must do when not happy with any product is to stop using it.
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There's an ignore function, Jonbe. You can find it on your personal page. Click on your name in the topright corner of this screen.
If that sounds awesome, you should go play Eve Online because that's pretty much what it is.
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