They are. Galxay Map. Buy trade data. Show trade routes. Commodities market, imported from, exported to. System map, Imports and Exports.
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NO to "third party tools" for ED
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They are. Galxay Map. Buy trade data. Show trade routes. Commodities market, imported from, exported to. System map, Imports and Exports.
Yes, and the secret of happiness is the freedom and the secret of the freedom is the courage
If it's not included in the game, it's cheating IMO. Everyone is free to cheat their way to success, but I am also free to have zero respect for your "achievement".
Edit: because some people don't understand the obvious, I will include the proviso that I mean specifically the use of third-party crowdsourcing trade tools that allow commodity price information to be shared. They are really the only ones that can have an effect on the games of those who don't use them. Carry on with your nitpicking.
Edit: because some people don't understand the obvious, I will include the proviso that I mean specifically the use of third-party crowdsourcing trade tools that allow commodity price information to be shared. They are really the only ones that can have an effect on the games of those who don't use them. Carry on with your nitpicking.
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I don't know about that. I don't use any of the trading tools or anything - just Voice Attack. But I also use a HOTAS instead of keys to fly which certainly confers an advantage. It isn't black and white.
Pecisk, I thought you couldn't 'win' Elite? Make your mind up 
Whether people use trade tools is entirely their own business and I can't see how this has an impact on your game, nor why you seem to try to belittle those who chose to do so with the 'Candy Crush' comments. Also, fitting tools don't tell you what to fit they simply allow you to work out whether a selection of modules will actually fit, something the game signally fails to do. Anyway, you've got on this horse before and it's not really bringing anything new or making any meaningful point. Let people play the way they want to and you do likewise.
Asking people not to share helpful information in a social game is also a little like trying to turn back the sea, have fun with that.
The game fails to provide critical module information which makes setting up a ship a lottery. Using an outfitting tool is not 'cheating', it's compensating for a glaring failure in the game's design. I also doubt anybody much cares whether you respect their achievement or not.
Whether people use trade tools is entirely their own business and I can't see how this has an impact on your game, nor why you seem to try to belittle those who chose to do so with the 'Candy Crush' comments. Also, fitting tools don't tell you what to fit they simply allow you to work out whether a selection of modules will actually fit, something the game signally fails to do. Anyway, you've got on this horse before and it's not really bringing anything new or making any meaningful point. Let people play the way they want to and you do likewise.
Asking people not to share helpful information in a social game is also a little like trying to turn back the sea, have fun with that.
The game fails to provide critical module information which makes setting up a ship a lottery. Using an outfitting tool is not 'cheating', it's compensating for a glaring failure in the game's design. I also doubt anybody much cares whether you respect their achievement or not.
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Here's the other side of the issue...with just a few changes to the OP's point...and is just as judgmental.
I suddenly realized that no one talks about elephant in a room and that is the time wasted by those that do not use third party tools - "to maximize gains".
I just wanted to say that in my opinion that this is what in long term destroys gaming as it takes what could be productive, enjoyable and moves into obsession driven tedium. It's addictive, because a tedious attitude enables you to grind. In the end, all you wanna do is grind, which leads to win. Grind leads to disappointment because at some point you figure out that all you do is grind to find a slightly better improvement.
I realize that everyone plays game they want to play and it is not for me to educate how to do it. I just wanted to say that there are people using tools. They are certainly read things, and hear tips and notes. However it mostly goes out in ad hoc fashion.
So say yes to third party tools. Stick with your guns and instinct. Ask if stuck and read tips from other forumians. But engage in the lessening of tedious gameplay through shared information. If you want to find that outfit that works for you - find it. Experiment, save time from tedium and play the game. Ignore those who obsess with configurations through trial and error!
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Your objectivity honors you
I've still got some popcorn left from when power play was launched
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Yep, the internet kills online gaming...
I never used a trade tool; all my wealth was earned by my own exploration effort and analysis of the galactic map. And I felt the enjoyment and the self-affirmation of personal achievement. Is using a trade tool as rewarding as this?
I still don't know, where all the rare goods are sold. I found some of these specialities by chance and I was always very exited about the discovery! Does reading forum lists provide the same enjoyment?
And maybe... just maybe, all this might be correlated with the fact that I never felt the urge to open a thread, how boring Elite: Dangerous is...
However, I do use coriolis.io. I don't feel that this tool takes away anything from the game, as outfitting a ship with all the different equipment is something that can be done in-game as well - but in coriolis, the process is much more compfortable and experiments with ship layouts are way easier and more comparable. I may have seceded from the 'pure way', though.
And while I feel that coriolis adds to my game enjoyment, 'voice attack' multiplies it! Talking to my ship is one of the most awesome things I have ever done in a game and if this leads into darkness, I'll embrace the nigth...
My conclusion regarding third party tools and Pecisk's thesis: yes... but it depends!
I never used a trade tool; all my wealth was earned by my own exploration effort and analysis of the galactic map. And I felt the enjoyment and the self-affirmation of personal achievement. Is using a trade tool as rewarding as this?
I still don't know, where all the rare goods are sold. I found some of these specialities by chance and I was always very exited about the discovery! Does reading forum lists provide the same enjoyment?
And maybe... just maybe, all this might be correlated with the fact that I never felt the urge to open a thread, how boring Elite: Dangerous is...
However, I do use coriolis.io. I don't feel that this tool takes away anything from the game, as outfitting a ship with all the different equipment is something that can be done in-game as well - but in coriolis, the process is much more compfortable and experiments with ship layouts are way easier and more comparable. I may have seceded from the 'pure way', though.
And while I feel that coriolis adds to my game enjoyment, 'voice attack' multiplies it! Talking to my ship is one of the most awesome things I have ever done in a game and if this leads into darkness, I'll embrace the nigth...
My conclusion regarding third party tools and Pecisk's thesis: yes... but it depends!
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I've still got some popcorn left from when power play was launched
I can't find my Brazilian Popcorn supplier...smallest order in the tonnage!
Get stuck in. This thread looks.... popular
Elite favors mouse and keyboard. Star Citizen even more so. The thing is you have the option to use what you find fun. I find Xbox controllers fun for exploring as it allows me to relax more than a M/K and a HOTAS. I prefer a M/K for combat as its the most accurate controller type. Then I prefer the HOTAS for trading as its the most immersive. If you like the tools fine. If you don't that's fine too. I don't see any of them giving a distinct combat advantage if any did I would have an issue. At that point they would start the "professional" gap in the player base. Where players need to do their homework and use those tools to be competitive. Currently that's not an issue.
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