Noting a yes/no poll on one channel regarding ship interiors, that perhaps unsurprisingly massively supported them. A subsequent poll on the same channel that had more than one option for desired future development wasn't so positive towards ship interiors.
In the end there has to be some form of reward for what you do- otherwise why do it? This is why being reductive regards modes killed V1- everyone saw it as grind racing and why Open was mooted to at least replace NPCs with players to provide some form of resistance. Plus FD have only recently gone on camera talking about V2, and you can see for yourself how they frame it.
Its a side benefit.
And thats the reason why modes are kept, but at the same time players get more for choosing a mode they have to do more in. Or are you afraid people might want to choose it, given the option?
If Fdev decides on a poll (which I have asked Paul for), I asked they do it in game somehow. People need to show they own and play Elite to even get a vote. Of course this means those with multiple accounts get multiple votes, so actually each Cmdr gets a vote then.
Players are rewarded for activities
.... of the main wish list item of the Open only proponents.
One of the many reasons why the three game modes have been kept for players to choose from at will. If the penalty applied to those playing in the other game modes were low then it may not sway many who don't enjoy PvP. If it were insultingly large, so as to make the PvE of those in the other two game modes effectively meaningless in terms of the shared galaxy, then expect players to react accordingly and make use of the block feature to exclude those who demanded the change to their game.
And the strategic reward is? If its more advantageous to avoid all fights thats not balanced. Not to mention 'activities'- surely simple co-op is not the same as facing off between wings?
Which is not what I'm talking about- just pointing out the weakness of modes.
How is it a penalty when solo is not direct multiplayer, PG is solo x 4 and Open totally random? Wing bonuses don't apply to solo, after all. In fact you'd think its fairer on solo if PG is tuned down since Open is balanced by its random nature.
The strategic reward is the same - complete PvE actions, affect PvE driven game features. That some choose to handicap themselves in Open is noted.
Not being able to see other players is what the modes are for - it's not a weakness, it's by design.
I'd not be upset if Wing bonuses were removed entirely - as Wings already accomplish specific tasks faster than single players, Wings of four faster than Wings of two, etc..
No clear statement of quantum of bonus / penalty exists nor specific contexts in which it would be applied. Noting that even Sandro's "twice as much" was insulting - the 80% reduction proposed in the post that Bruce linked to during one of the Game Balancing threads moreso.
That is a good point. If they get everything they want, what do they actually get??? Empty space, probably more so than nowIn a way, I whish G5 murderboats hawhaw get what they ask for - because it will end up with completely empty Open there, with just them to smell the spice and force each other to tell jokes.
But one of them said "If someone change mode (due to our exceptional skill in G5 murderboat wing against his hauling built ship) we count it as a victory".
So I whish them an absolute victory
Blocked, probably.
And why should you go into Open if you face stronger opponents?
And in PP seeing less rivals means......
And like I said, its a side benefit of being able to find and nullify these things.
The bonuses will be for co-operative play though
PG has a slight bonus and Open 'the full' amount for being co-operative in the face of other players co-operating against you....
Why does any player choose to engage in PvP in a game where it is an optional extra?
That players are exercising their first decision whether or not to play among other players.
If the bonus for Open were greater than for PG then it would be more than a bonus for co-operative play, it would be a bonus for potentially, maybe, engaging or being engaged in PvP. As mentioned previously, a blanket bonus for Open would be a participation reward, not a reward for actually facing any additional risk from other players.The bonuses will be for co-operative play though
Its a circular argument- if you have Powerplay that is easier with less opponents you have to make Open 'valid' in that context.
And making the choice of mode mean (at least in V1 terms) Powerplay is easier.
And why is that bad? You are still co-operating with others, just in a potentially more hostile environment. The majority are engaged in combat in PG for the merits, why do you have a funny turn when the only difference is possibly in Open you might fight others and other wings?
It is indeed circular - there is no "have to" in relation to giving a bonus to Open / penalising the other two game modes though, noting that it is something that some players want.
Removing PvP from ones game is a choice that each player has, noting that not all players enjoy PvP.
Players who prefer to play in Solo and Private Groups bought the game on the same basis as those who prefer to play in Open, i.e. all PvE actions in each mode affect pan-modal game features equally. That some can't accept that has been obvious for a long time.
Its a game- most games have rewards for doing different things. Optional means doinf something more than 'baseline' PvE.
And, if its harder then you get rewards based on that.
Its irrelevant given that when ED was out of KS, wing bonuses did not exist, or later on multicrew pip bonuses. You have this convenient argument that change can't ever happen again, when it has many times. All I'm suggesting those bonuses that already exist are tuned in Powerplay since other players affect those PvE outcomes (as FD talk about in FU-4) in addition to the PP NPCs.
.... and this game does not choose to reward the possibility of PvP. Noting that previous rewards designed for contested PvP encounters were either slashed or removed as players can't be trusted.
How many of those latterly added bonuses apply to PvP only?
In the wider game I agree.
They were reduced because like all of V1 they were poorly implemented, and left untouched for eight years after that. There is nothing to stop FD putting those PvP rewards (properly designed) back in, is there? Or for that matter adding something else.
Can you prove to me that they haven't been used for PvP? The bonus is for working together- Powerplay in Open is working together against others doing the same. If FD want Open to be seen as a valid choice for fun but also strategically (as they say on camera) then they have to give some perks to facilitate that.
Nothing apart from the fact that, depending on implementation, it's unlikely to go down well with the not insignificant subset of the player-base that does not enjoy PvP.
Can be is not the same as "only for" as:
Indeed it is, regardless of activity, and not in any way contingent on players engaging in PvP.
We'll see, in time, what that may entail.
Did 'the not insignificant subset' object when the original PP pirate rewards were added? Did they even know they were there to begin with? By your logic if its already in you seemingly can't complain as its 'part of the design'.
So what about hauling in Open for PP? Risk more, get x4 back. Seems to scale well given what you are doing.
