Robert Maynard
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There is already conditional damage in the game.
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There is already conditional damage in the game.
You have created the so-called effect of all those who want the PvE to disappear from the ED
Technical limitation of maximum 20,000 friends per Frontier data group, for that reason creation of different mobius sections.
I'm not associated with mobius
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rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
Thanks for (finally) a constructive answer. See? Wasn't that hard, was it?
Those are definitely valid concerns, however like you say, there are already so many holes on the immersion side. It's a compromise. Want PVP-free mode? Yes, it's not going to be very realistic. Like I said multiple times, I value realism in games and I would personally spend most of my time in Open PVP, but I do genuinely believe that Open PVE mode would have a positive effect on the community as a whole.
As for kids... They're here already, it's enough that I go to a CG system on Saturday night - they're already there ganking me for teh lulz, so this argument is not really convincing. I will add the one about lack of immersion to the cons in my OP. Thanks for that. And try to have a normal conversation with people sometimes, it's alright really
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This is an idea I really like.
I also don't think it would be difficult/taxing on the code since it is the default mode of most MMOs and Open World games on the market today.
It would also be an improvement over the Mobius sign up procedure - all you would have to do it choose the mode end of story.
OMG! Exaggerate much.
A simple IFF function will do.
The clowns who want to grief with collision damage get Blocked - same as now.
Robert Maynard
Volunteer Moderator
What is the spirit of a game that has offered players the choice of other players as an optional component of their gameplay from the outset?
Trust.
Spirit of Salts?...
verminstar
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Put it this way...Id pay a monthly sub fer that no bother...doubt Frontier would ever do it but ye, Id be all over that 100%
I hate solo but I hate the moron thuggish element more and my time in open may well end quite abruptly, cos tbh its just not worth the hassle fer the sake of the odd o7 and the more frequent kill in silence brigade. When one is more common than the other, its time to choose a different mode and thats how I feel right now.
So take my money frontier...itd be worth every penny to enjoy this game instead of barely tolerating through gritted teeth of dealing with neanderthols and anti social hoods ^
Don't agree rootstrat with your proposal. It's just tinkering around the edges, another sticking plaster around the clear divide between the Solo and Open modes and the gulf between those who want to do PvP combat and those who don't.
There are no modes called PvE or PvP. In both Solo and Open (PG too) you are a participant in the ED environment so they are both PvE. The difference is that one can also go against the environment in direct contact with other players be that in co-operation - example Distant Worlds - by combat - Wings. Trading can also done in Wings against the environment.
The environment inlcudes other players be they in Solo or Open mode. Conflict occurs across the modes both ways so both Solo and Open are PvP too. It's just that when people saythey wnat more PvP they really mean they want more PvP direct combat.
Your proposal is, to me, is just saying that there should be just 2 modes:
1. PvP direct combat allowed
2. PvP direct combat not allowed
Both are still PvE. But this solution will still not satisfy those 'PvP'ers' who explain that it is 'not fair' that in PP, a part of the ED environment, those in 2 can affect the ED universe with 'less risk' than those in 1.
So in no way will your proposal dampen the PvP'ers demands. Back to square one.
I am for Solo and Open. I am for PvP combat or trading in Factions, in PP etc, and I am for PvE.
You choose Open then you know the possible consequences, being ganked, doing Wings in cooperative combat / trading, exploration in player groups.
You choose Solo then you know the possible consequences, example: being ganked by Wings of NPCs without the ability to form a Wing with NPCs to defend yourself in this. No chance of being refuelled by other players, or by NPCs for that matter, when you cocked up - you have to go into Open for that.
I am against a section of the player base who wish to force other players in to their preferred 'play style' just because those other players don't want to play that way and don't to such a degree that the former feel 'lonely' and 'unloved'.
The current modes are quite sufficient and the divide is clear by intent and not to be papered over. And PP should not be Open only for this reason.
There are no modes called PvE or PvP. In both Solo and Open (PG too) you are a participant in the ED environment so they are both PvE. The difference is that one can also go against the environment in direct contact with other players be that in co-operation - example Distant Worlds - by combat - Wings. Trading can also done in Wings against the environment.
The environment inlcudes other players be they in Solo or Open mode. Conflict occurs across the modes both ways so both Solo and Open are PvP too. It's just that when people saythey wnat more PvP they really mean they want more PvP direct combat.
Your proposal is, to me, is just saying that there should be just 2 modes:
1. PvP direct combat allowed
2. PvP direct combat not allowed
Both are still PvE. But this solution will still not satisfy those 'PvP'ers' who explain that it is 'not fair' that in PP, a part of the ED environment, those in 2 can affect the ED universe with 'less risk' than those in 1.
So in no way will your proposal dampen the PvP'ers demands. Back to square one.
I am for Solo and Open. I am for PvP combat or trading in Factions, in PP etc, and I am for PvE.
You choose Open then you know the possible consequences, being ganked, doing Wings in cooperative combat / trading, exploration in player groups.
You choose Solo then you know the possible consequences, example: being ganked by Wings of NPCs without the ability to form a Wing with NPCs to defend yourself in this. No chance of being refuelled by other players, or by NPCs for that matter, when you cocked up - you have to go into Open for that.
I am against a section of the player base who wish to force other players in to their preferred 'play style' just because those other players don't want to play that way and don't to such a degree that the former feel 'lonely' and 'unloved'.
The current modes are quite sufficient and the divide is clear by intent and not to be papered over. And PP should not be Open only for this reason.
I have my speakers turned on, so nothing has been muted.
But a moot point would be that other MMOs have a feature that ED doesn't. There are lots of features that other MMOs have that ED doesn't. Moot.
A sight to behold. Great idea.
rootsrat
Volunteer Moderator
The game changes and evolves, as it gets developed. Would you also say they should not go with the Open Only Power Play, because that's how it was from the start?
Besides we already have a sort of sorry substitute for Open PVE, it's called Group mode, but it's functionality from admin and convenience point of view is practically non-existent. So I disagree with that statement.
I don't. I prefer a situation where I can avoid the kids, but still play with adults.
Solo was there before CG's and Wings and they were always clear that it's not going to go. So not really sure about the direction here. Not sure FDEV is to be honest.
Also David Braben did say those exact words when speaking directly about Open PVE: "I would love it".
Mobius made their point, 40k+ players play experience should not come down to a single players ability to maintain access to their preferred player interaction level.
That being said, Open PVE should probably not be a choice. The game was supposed to offer public groups and the groups were supposed to have multiple flags that were able to change the interactions between players. This is the way forward. Allow any player to create any group, public or private, that will allow for various interaction levels (leave collisions but no player to player weapon damage...or neither...etc.).
Short of this, it would be an interesting gameplay choice to see Open PVE...because it would become a de facto Co-op mode (one thing to think about...this is not the intention of the devs, to be sure!)
That being said, Open PVE should probably not be a choice. The game was supposed to offer public groups and the groups were supposed to have multiple flags that were able to change the interactions between players. This is the way forward. Allow any player to create any group, public or private, that will allow for various interaction levels (leave collisions but no player to player weapon damage...or neither...etc.).
Short of this, it would be an interesting gameplay choice to see Open PVE...because it would become a de facto Co-op mode (one thing to think about...this is not the intention of the devs, to be sure!)
Open pve only
I second this idea. However, I would like open pve only to REPLACE pg and solo, or at least one of the two. Simply adding a new mode may, and hopefully will bring more people in to open gameplay, But by replacing one or both of the "private" modes we can further funnel things into just two server types. Open and open pve only. Maybe a pg function, but I really don't like the idea of having suxh a segregated player-base. It goes back to the issue of people being able to manipulate bgs without other players having the opportunity to directly intervene. Personally, I only want open gameplay, and would rather see a C&P system that worked in favor of that. I know the current C&P is supposed to, but it still has some issues that need to be worked out. If open only isn't an option, my preference would be to replace solo and/or private groups with open pve.
I second this idea. However, I would like open pve only to REPLACE pg and solo, or at least one of the two. Simply adding a new mode may, and hopefully will bring more people in to open gameplay, But by replacing one or both of the "private" modes we can further funnel things into just two server types. Open and open pve only. Maybe a pg function, but I really don't like the idea of having suxh a segregated player-base. It goes back to the issue of people being able to manipulate bgs without other players having the opportunity to directly intervene. Personally, I only want open gameplay, and would rather see a C&P system that worked in favor of that. I know the current C&P is supposed to, but it still has some issues that need to be worked out. If open only isn't an option, my preference would be to replace solo and/or private groups with open pve.
Can you show me where i want this ? For me its everything ok like it is. Makes me happier as dreaming for no coming changes.
Do you want ED to code OOPP for you , rather than fix bugs ?
Yes, moot my bad. But would not call E: D an MMO not with the sorry state multi player is in and I was merely pointing out that the problem you had with an not (yet) implemented mode has a solution on that could be used even if Open PvE will never be a reality.
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