Fun is supposed to be the key.
However, I'm away today, I need 5-6 hours to get back home.
General Overhauling Engineering: A Family's Request for a Streamlined Upgrade System
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However, I'm away today, I need 5-6 hours to get back home.
Have you tried contacting support? Maybe they can sort things out for you.
Often a problem that is being solved is not presented to the community... engineering materials not being subjected to a p2p trade system is probably intended to encourage all players to involve themselves in all forms of gameplay.
At the very least it prevents multi-account players from boosting their additional accounts with god-tier mods for practically no effort.
As a huge x:4 foundations fan I strongly agree. It should be possible to build ships with ownable assets, and there should be tangible costs involved. Then again, this could make ships cost differently based on supply, and may make parts or entire hulls unobtainable. It would be substantially more complicated, in contrast with your wish for a more streamlined shipbuilding system... at the end of the day the current implementation that allows stocking a choice of ships and modules on a carrier is a good middle ground.
I lost at least 17 viper mk3's and two DBX to thargoids this week. I don't think we need more complex PVE content-- what exists is significantly difficult in my opinion.
When i was a tyke I declared i hated lobster because it's basically a giant sea ant. I had convinced myself I hated it for years until my SO made me try some. I found it was truly delightful with a little bit of butter. In such spirit I would implore you to not hate engineering until you try it. Develop your opinion with experience, and it might be more heavily weighed. Engineering is certainly overwhelming, but for a regular player it is far from unapproachable. I'm a wibbly meatbag piloted by two goldfish, so surely you can figure it out.
That said Fdev sure could do a lot to make the experience smoother. A simple addition that would make my life easier would be adding a flag to materials related to remembered engineer jobs that shows in the trade interface.
They're related to prawns which are related to woodlice... and woodlice apparently taste like prawns and turn pink when cooked...
Yuck.
I used to like crab paste as a nipper (no pun intended), though.
Wait, what? We have the Kickstarter pledgers to thank for that bonehead move? Good lord, I need a time machine in order to process all the facepalms I want to project back through time over the past 9 years.
There's still several possible ways to address the supercruise timesink issue, if it ever gets any attention at all, but wow, that...really kinda upsets me that some privileged few with money were responsible for a decision that has negatively affected all other players since.
That is not true. You are never going to get to Elite combat rank or anywhere remotely near it by 'just playing the game'. I would know, I went on hiatus for this specific task for over 4 years, partly owing to other frustrations but also because enduring said frustrations at the same time as a "sheer quantity" fish-in-a-barrel grind was not appealing to me.
And it was still that grind when I came back and pushed through it. From partway through Dangerous to full Elite still took me several weeks of focused grinding. You cannot possibly reason that players will accumulate the requisite thousands upon thousands of kills it takes to get to that point, by just 'doing missions' or whatever.
If you are enjoying punishing yourself by doing the gathering grind the hard and slow way before you get to do anything else you could be doing in the game, more power to you. But I would not think that's a reasonable expectation to apply to other players, especially newer ones... as this thread is evident of.
Activities that players do not want to do are a problem that should be fixed. Games should be made fun for players. It doesn't operate the other way around.
Yes, horrible MMORPG game design that has only rarely-if-ever been deviated from in one copycat production after another over the past couple decades has become pervasive and 'accepted' by generations of conditioned gamers... that does not make it a good example to follow, or fun.
The testaments of players that have left reviews, quit the game, or left feedback on these very forums, stand for themselves... if anybody is even bothering to look anymore.
A game system that is best treated by pretending it's not there, is a bad system. That sucks. It shouldn't be just accepted as the norm.
As Ian says, the original ideas was to have essentially POIs in space that you would jump between - sort of like the old Wing Commander games, or like Starfield and all the complaints it gets about space travel in that
Although I didn’t pledge at that level, I’m glad we got free-flight around systems.
The thing with CQC is nothing matters compared to the pick-ups in the arena. Everything about CQC meta revolves around collecting & stacking those buffs, nothing else comes close. It's a big reason why it got so stale so fast, in my view. That and the utter lack of attention to the feature, of course.
Not all players have a fleet carrier ready on standby on a moment's notice. That's going to be a good 45 minutes to an hour, and that is if you already do own a carrier and already have it parked somewhere nearby in the bubble and your next activity is also in the bubble.
Newer players do not have this luxury. It is not a reasonable expectation to rely on fleet carriers to work around the core problem there.
Yes, you have a smaller second bubble, but then what?
I thought it was because they’d messed up the data transfer from FE2 - the orbits of Mitterand Hollow and Schneider Relay got swapped.
Achieving Elite combat rank with no special upgrades, either means you have highly unusual dedication or got the task done before these features were around. Either way I'm positive it took you a terribly long time, and as someone who last year completed that hurdle, can only receive the statement "not at all a grind" with complete & total disbelief. I don't understand how you can make that statement with such a raw sheer-quantity requirement.
I really want to emphasize here that neither Dav's Hope or Robigo runs are worthwhile ways to spend your time and have not been for many, many years. If these are your ideas of doing things efficiently, small wonder you look poorly upon it - both of these methods have been outdated and woefully slower than many other means for a very long time now.
And that relying only on 'normal game activities' is easily even slower, of course....
Tabletop is a bit of a different ballgame. I speak with some PTSD given to me from many years learning the hard way, I cannot put up with how Wargaming makes their games. Every facet of World of Tanks has force-injected +/-25% RNG - your penetration chance, your damage, your accuracy, your bloom, your chance of damaging a module, your crew abilities, literally every facet of what you're doing shooting at other tanks is affected. It's the equivalent of rolling dice in order to roll dice. World of Warships is the same. (Warplanes is/was different, but it's an effectively dead game for several other outstanding reasons.)
You may as well go sit at a slot machine all day and call it good.
My observation from playing video games most of my life, is that most video game creators over-rely upon RNG as a crutch or cheap-and-easy alternative to deeper-thought mechanics - that's why I put such emphasis on decrying its usefulness. My favorite RPGs are ones like those made by Larian - where RNG as an element is by and large, hardly even involved.
Would that more said creators at least took your view and remembered to at least preserve player agency and control over the outcome....
I'm responding to other thoughts being shared in the thread, not attempting to derail discussion. You might note I've brought up the point of the OP's posts several times, as well.
There's a lot this game has going on when it comes to reasons for player dissatisfaction, and these forums have a lot going on when it comes to denying or gatekeeping that dissatisfaction in various ways.
I don't intend to be testy towards those that continue to maintain these spaces, but I'm hardly posting off-hand one-liners and some gif like the average discussion thread seems to enjoy without interjection.
I am not sure that I would still be playing after all these years if travel was all
- Launch
- Charge FSD
- Countdown
- Loading Screen
- Arrive
Well it didn’t take me weeks to get to Combat Elte even if it was the one I got first and it definitely didn’t involve more than a handful of missions at most* just going to some variety of RES or Nav beacon and shooting everything that showed wanted.
There were a lot of CGs involved but I don’t consider those missions.
Having an alternative to having to engineer everything is a good thing especially if it lets you play the your own way.
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Why would you think I'm singling you out?
But while we're on the subject, you don't need to make a separate post for each quote
You can use the multiquote tool, saves loads of space.