Yep, this really would make my Kumo Sense tingle unpleasantly.
Pay2Win made it to Elite
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Maybe, just depends on how much you enjoy the game. If you have become so down about the game stop playing it.
It's all about choice.
You will get those who prefer not to learn the basics of the game then go to the gamestore. Then come to the forums whining that the have lost thier ships through lack of understanding the game. I have seen it all before in other games the reply is always "learn to play".
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You missed the point. I never participate in early access purchases.
Sorry if it wasn't obvious enough.
PRE-BUILT SHIPS
We’re also going to be introducing a new category in the Elite Dangerous gamestore: Pre-built Ships. Pre-Built Ship packages will offer Commanders the opportunity to purchase ships that have been given a significant upgrade from their base models.We envision these Pre-built Ships to be a quicker way for newer players to get involved in the areas they have the most interest in, or for our existing players who are considering a new career path in game, but do not have time to devote to a new build from scratch.
A ‘Pre-built’ ship package will include instant-access to a pre-fitted ship, a ship kit, and a paintjob – and will typically be themed to match an activity within the game. For example, if you’re looking to jump into the current AX conflict against the Titans, the AX Combat Jumpstart package will give instant access to an Alliance Chieftain with all the necessary modules to go straight into the action within the maelstrom.
The Python Mk II will also launch with a Pre-built Ship package, allowing you to kickstart your career in the latest ship, including a brand-new paintjob and ship kit.
Most likely it will be mighty zero-rebuy. Which means, no-salt to mine too
rootsrat
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Doesnt selling ready made ships for real money (effectively) make fdev the gold seller here (not literally obviously)
Pay to skip (some or even most of the engineering grind) is a good thing.
Pay to get otherwise unobtainable ships (or other equipment) is not so much.
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Truth. I stand corrected -- I had made the mistake of looking only at my own, meagre skills. As you stated, though, we do not know enough about the Python 2 to say whether or not owning one would give one a leg up over other commanders... I'm merely curious, and the official release -- August 7 -- ist just 2 days before my vacations end. I'd really like to test this baby during my vacations, not after.
Anyway, the Python 2 can be bought with ARX, which can be earned by just playing the game, so patient commanders need not break out their wallets. 41 weeks of playing (provided somebody started with zero Arx) should do the trick.
It was not my intention to ruffle anybody's feathers, by the way. I play just for fun and I don't fly in Open, anyway, so a Python 2 in my hands will not constitute an unfair advantage... oh, and I don't play the BGS, either. I simply like murdering pirates (Pomeche Raiders).
That's roughly a 20x increase in the first year cost of playing the game. It'd therefore need at least 5% takeup to not lose them money; likely a fair bit more since at least some people would be paying the sub instead of their current ARX purchases, rather than as well as. It'd need to do rather better than "not lose money" to be worthwhile, too.
Note that they've just made the base game and Odyssey cheaper recently, which doesn't suggest there's a huge market of people willing to pay £100s per account.
(An optional subscription would be less risky, except for what the incentive to pay it would be... probably something quite a lot like the current plans for ARX)
You can already transfer credits and Odyssey materials to another player extremely rapidly with a Fleet Carrier, and it's hardly going to be difficult for someone trying to make real-world money from it to buy one and park it near a starter system, or jump it within the bubble to be next to the player who wants to pay. I'm sure it happens, but it's not a major part of the game.
while they are continuing to add new content and improve the game - I don't mind to support them with buying arx (and getting some snacks doing it)
I think it's a good step.
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I think it's a good step.
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Newcomers, even in powerful ships, will be struggling against experienced CMDRs. The learning curve of ED is steep; somebody who's got no experience with this game will not dominate -- unless the Python 2 has twice the shields of a cutter with prismatic shields, is equally fast, as manoeuvrable as a Vulture, and has more firepower than a pair of corvettes...
It's a wee bit too early to begin a swan song.
Well, they would earn money from their own game, and I doubt anyone would buy any given pre-built ship more than once.
Players selling "gold", on the other hand, would make a profit behind FDev's back, breaking the EULA and having a virtually unlimited market.
It's a hassle. Not that it would stop anyone from doing it, if they wanted to do it, but the moment you lower the entry barriers, more people would be tempted.
Perhaps it would not happen anyway (the market might be limited) but I would never underestimate the appeal of the low haging fruit.
In any case, this is pure speculation, as nothing of this is happening (hopefully).
You're right, you're right.
I was thinking about the concept itself and did not put in the fine print. Like measures / protections to prevent this, limited time framed amounts, or only mats for creds etc.
Actually I'd even say that the mat trading we have at the moment works quite well (although IMHO the credit limits could be higher without endangering anything) - visiting other people's carriers to buy stuff was one of the better experiences I had in E: D recently.
Now why couldn't that be replicated for ship based mats?
Fast tracking progression is a standard feature of most aging and old massive online games.
WOW, Everquest both have ways to catch up really fast with the rest of the long time player base to be able to enjoy the same content together. Or be able to jump into PVP a bit quicker. I don't really see it as an issue. A "catch up" mechanic isn't bad for an old game where tons of players already have loads of progression under their belt.
Some games especially phone games have a pay to win from the very release and this is a bad model in my opinion.
WOW, Everquest both have ways to catch up really fast with the rest of the long time player base to be able to enjoy the same content together. Or be able to jump into PVP a bit quicker. I don't really see it as an issue. A "catch up" mechanic isn't bad for an old game where tons of players already have loads of progression under their belt.
Some games especially phone games have a pay to win from the very release and this is a bad model in my opinion.
How much one enjoys the game doesn't change what being able to buy in-game assets is, no matter how one defines it.
The trends I'm referring to are all about the dilution of meaningful choice.
I prefer to play games where all participants are playing by the same overarching set of in-game rules. Adding options to bypass previous constraints doesn't give players more choices unless all option are equally valid and if all options were equally valid, Frontier wouldn't be able to sell one of them.
Simply murdering pirates faster is going to make it harder for supporters of those Pomeche Raiders to keep up.
I like swan songs, One of the better BeeGees songsNewcomers, even in powerful ships, will be struggling against experienced CMDRs. The learning curve of ED is steep; somebody who's got no experience with this game will not dominate -- unless the Python 2 has twice the shields of a cutter with prismatic shields, is equally fast, as manoeuvrable as a Vulture, and has more firepower than a pair of corvettes...
It's a wee bit too early to begin a swan song.
rootsrat
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Fair enough
Is that where the money from the original Elite Dangerous purchases went to?
