It is even worse, lets go back to Dav's hope as example, there are still materials laying on the ground you can scoop with your SRV, but you can't take them and drag them to your SRV or ship. It wouldn't even hurt when you can pick up some vanadium on a planet, but you should only get 1 instead of 3 when you farm them with your SRV, because you can not carry so much. But like I said, they stopped at the part where you can shoot at things.
Performance and bugs aside, the real worry for me is the game design itself
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Some of it can certainly (albeit buggily) be accomplished with friends. Have you tried any multiplayer?
I like the ideas. Many more reasons to engage in the 'sphere of combat' and how it can help or change your gameplay vs dumbfires to capture cz points at the moment
There's no FPS (except shooting locks off of loot boxes), but yes, it does do have space (station) legs and EVA. You can even plant explosives on enemy ships IIRC!
Elite Legs without planetsides...
i just had the thought that even the scale doesn't really work in odyssey. yes, you can now stand next to your ship and see how big it is. but does this really give you a sense of scale? there's still only one interaction with your ship and only one thing you can do with your ship: fly it. you technically can't get inside. you can just move your avatar to the cockpit. or perhaps turn your person avatar into a ship avatar. basically switching game modes. i don't get the sense of being a person entering and flying a ship. i'm either a person on the ground or a ship.
yea, the connection, the ship interior is missing. if releasing odyssey now is the biggest mistake, then not releasing interiors is the second biggest mistake. only with interiors you can get a real sense of scale of your ship. just standing in front of it and walking past it, doesn't do this justice. it's nice for screenshots which is the only thing elite seems to be good for nowadays. but where's the gameplay that gives you a true sense of scale? will it ever be there?
also, another thing that lacks to get a true sense of scale. you all know these huge ground bases. the circular ones with the tall tower in the middle. can you get up that tower as a person? how many levels are there? can you look out of a window from up there? i mean, that's the first thing i would want to explore. of course you cannot have a 1:1 scale environment for structures that are almost as big as an entire city. but god damn, when you can put a generic building on the ground next to those towers, why can't you put a generic environment on the top of these towers? and why is there only one location in all the stations? it's always the same. you look out the window which is always at the exact same location. you always see the same things. it boggles my mind. it's always the same and it's very small. these are enormous space stations. and all there is some rooms? wth?
yea, the connection, the ship interior is missing. if releasing odyssey now is the biggest mistake, then not releasing interiors is the second biggest mistake. only with interiors you can get a real sense of scale of your ship. just standing in front of it and walking past it, doesn't do this justice. it's nice for screenshots which is the only thing elite seems to be good for nowadays. but where's the gameplay that gives you a true sense of scale? will it ever be there?
also, another thing that lacks to get a true sense of scale. you all know these huge ground bases. the circular ones with the tall tower in the middle. can you get up that tower as a person? how many levels are there? can you look out of a window from up there? i mean, that's the first thing i would want to explore. of course you cannot have a 1:1 scale environment for structures that are almost as big as an entire city. but god damn, when you can put a generic building on the ground next to those towers, why can't you put a generic environment on the top of these towers? and why is there only one location in all the stations? it's always the same. you look out the window which is always at the exact same location. you always see the same things. it boggles my mind. it's always the same and it's very small. these are enormous space stations. and all there is some rooms? wth?
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Yep, and I'm not being sarcastic. I think those are great ideas and have even discussed some of them with others myself.
It's no secret that when it comes to "gameplay", frontier is pretty challenged in the imagination market. We need to bombard them with good ideas, because they need all the help they can get.
I am confused.
How can anyone see EDO as update directed to "COD types" or generally preferable to FPS shooters players,
if the most efficient way to clear the only hard fps gameplay in game (ofHCZ) is mass killing troops from a ship,
and in the other, not so hard fps part (scavengers) you can also kill them from your ship or SRV without sweating?
I have impression that adding POSSIBILITY of fps combat in EDO is being notoriously demonized on the forums.
It's not like it's the new meta for anything, is it?
How can anyone see EDO as update directed to "COD types" or generally preferable to FPS shooters players,
if the most efficient way to clear the only hard fps gameplay in game (ofHCZ) is mass killing troops from a ship,
and in the other, not so hard fps part (scavengers) you can also kill them from your ship or SRV without sweating?
I have impression that adding POSSIBILITY of fps combat in EDO is being notoriously demonized on the forums.
It's not like it's the new meta for anything, is it?
I would like to do this, even if it takes way more time to fill the passenger cabins.
Because it is marketed as such.
Perhaps not explicitly but the whole marketing was fighting in general focussed and that was what was used to lure new players in.
That's okay but EDO is to steep a learning curve in general to fit this group and performance wise - i won't start.
I like the addition of FPS combat, I don't like that the FPS combat is almost all of Odyssey's content and everything you get out of it only affected other Odyssey content.
OK, if it's in the marketing context, then it's not my thing.
I just glanced at the thread and assumed you are talking about the actual gameplay "tailored" for FPS players.
In "giving them general advantage" meaning.
Na, it's just tailored for Frontier's idea of FPS players. That in addition with their seemingly not existing market research stuff did not work too well with that playergroup.
Well, it makes sense to me.
Imagine the horror on forums if you would have to grind materials
for additional SHIP upgrades by doing some hard(core) fps missions,
so "COD kids" would get advantage over ED "I-don't-play-fps-shooters" veterans in the ship combat part of game...
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Most people who make such comments don't know.
1200 something PC
5800 something PS4/PS5
not sure what flopping these out is meant to achieve though?
I'd just like a console next-gen version to judge their code optimisation by. Oh, and the road map once the game launches properly.
If they added what you said, players would have massively complained that Content is gated behind a pay wall.
So now with out Odyssey, you are not losing anything in Horizons.
Odyssey just offers you a different way to do the same things you did before: Missions, BGS.
We are still missing Power Play, Community Goals, Thargoids and Guardian - and all that comes with it - but Thargoids + Guardian would probably be next DLC
The thing is, this game should be focused on the ships. We have almost no good ship games, but we have hundreds of good modern FPS games. I like having first person combat in the game, but we have had almost no meaningful content updates for several years now in this space sim game, and we finally get an expansion and it has nothing to do with the actual ships, I just want them to combine the gameplay elements more, having boarding other ships would be a step in the right direction, the missions to capture criminals could be you actually capturing them. But now I am just repeating my main post pretty much.
Yes.
Elite Dangerous
EDIT: damn heat, my brain is melting.
I wanted to make a reference to Starship Troopers and I failed.
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Star Citizen is an example of how to do it the right way design-wise, bugs and alpha state notwithstanding.
I open the mobiglass, search for bounty missions and see an assortment of them, ranging from "shoot down enemy spacecraft" to "catch enemy that holed himself in a cave on a planet". When I trade I need to get out of my ship to access trade terminal. I walk to a turret as a crewmember to man it. The on-foot gameplay is integrated into space gameplay, and vice-versa.
On the brighter side, EDO:
Touch down at a crash site.
Open the cargo rack with cutter.
Collect the materials used for buffing ship systems with SRV.
Seems like some substitute for that.
I open the mobiglass, search for bounty missions and see an assortment of them, ranging from "shoot down enemy spacecraft" to "catch enemy that holed himself in a cave on a planet". When I trade I need to get out of my ship to access trade terminal. I walk to a turret as a crewmember to man it. The on-foot gameplay is integrated into space gameplay, and vice-versa.
On the brighter side, EDO:
Touch down at a crash site.
Open the cargo rack with cutter.
Collect the materials used for buffing ship systems with SRV.
Seems like some substitute for that.