Yeah I get that. For me the most rewarding things in this game were exploration and mining. The experience of going to the core was very memorable. I'm eager to see what exploration and mining revamps they have in mind for Beyond. It's just that there's a lot of other things in this game that I would participate more in if they were fleshed out more.
Personal Narrative
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Yeah I get that. For me the most rewarding things in this game were exploration and mining. The experience of going to the core was very memorable. I'm eager to see what exploration and mining revamps they have in mind for Beyond. It's just that there's a lot of other things in this game that I would participate more in if they were fleshed out more.
mesmerizing gifs...
And i agree, such things are what i understand as "personal narrative". I would have expected maybe special statuses after doing something that has impact. Like working really hard to remove outbreaks status let's faction mention this in their greetings lines "Thanks you again for the aid you provided during the outbreak..."
But the tech broker is just a (nice) additional upgrade feature for ships. Calling it narrative is misleading.
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Wait, did you finally reveal the location of the Diamond reserve?
What ever happened to your Diamond stealing CG?
I think it's really hard to have any narrative in the game currently, as most things are very transient/disposable.
Random Mission Giver 1: "Kill Pirate Lord A".
Ok, done.
Random Mission Giver 2: "Kill Pirate Lord B".
Ok, that's done too.
Random Mission Giver 3: "Ship 100 wotsits to System X".
Done.
Currently - I don't really notice or care who's giving the missions. I don't really care who's the target or what the cargo is. Being able to pick up more of these missions per visit doesn't really fix anything for me.
Instead of anonymous mission givers we see for a few seconds in the Mission Boards - I'd love to have more persistent Contacts - and if you hit sufficient rep with their faction they'll start offering you interesting missions (wherever you are or whatever you're doing). You can accept or reject, but reject too many (or fail too many) and they might stop contacting you.
The missions could be similar but instead of disposable contacts, you might have to kill 3 Pirate lieutenants in order to get a shot at the pirate lord. That makes it feel more like a long term, worthwhile task. If the contact is a businessman, the cargo he asks you to deliver might be dangerous and toxic, if he's a criminal himself the cargo might be bodies in escape pods to be disposed of without being scanned.
Random Mission Giver 1: "Kill Pirate Lord A".
Ok, done.
Random Mission Giver 2: "Kill Pirate Lord B".
Ok, that's done too.
Random Mission Giver 3: "Ship 100 wotsits to System X".
Done.
Currently - I don't really notice or care who's giving the missions. I don't really care who's the target or what the cargo is. Being able to pick up more of these missions per visit doesn't really fix anything for me.
Instead of anonymous mission givers we see for a few seconds in the Mission Boards - I'd love to have more persistent Contacts - and if you hit sufficient rep with their faction they'll start offering you interesting missions (wherever you are or whatever you're doing). You can accept or reject, but reject too many (or fail too many) and they might stop contacting you.
The missions could be similar but instead of disposable contacts, you might have to kill 3 Pirate lieutenants in order to get a shot at the pirate lord. That makes it feel more like a long term, worthwhile task. If the contact is a businessman, the cargo he asks you to deliver might be dangerous and toxic, if he's a criminal himself the cargo might be bodies in escape pods to be disposed of without being scanned.
Then don't grind for it then.
He storms into forum threads offering a somewhat arrogant viewpoint, takes offence if you disagree with him and puts you on his ignore list if you disagree more than once. Needless to say, I (and many others, apparently) am on his ignore list lol. (That's not you, Kaocraft)
Not in the context of Elite Dangerous and not in the context of this discussion it doesn't. Why? Because the devs have specifically spoken, at Frontier Expo and more recently in the livestream, about how they are going to be adding things to the game which emphasize personal narrative. This implies they are doing *something*. If the beginning and end of "Personal Narrative" is "no explicit story to follow," then they already knocked that one out of the park on launch day and there isn't anything else for them to do.
Isn’t personal narrative the persistent record of the things a person has done in sequence to lead to where they are?
We do have that. You’re sitting in it. Look to the right. That panel that pops up is your record. All those stats? Choices and things YOU did moved those around. That’s the game. Tab over. All those modules? YOU had to make the money through your chosen actions to get all those. The little hexagon eng symbols? Yep they didn’t just appear there, you had to make choices and do things in the game to get those.
That’s your personal narrative. That’s the summary of playing Elite.
Now wanting MORE things to choose to do to move and change the items in your narrative? Of course that would be most welcome. I think at the end of the day that’s what most everyone wants. New things to do that will yield different changes. Maybe a chain mission for unique stat module drop? Something more than credits, materials and rep. Things you can’t just buy.
Interacting with Mega Ship? Yea that’s new to me! I haven’t been to a mega ship yet. I only just started leveling up a crewman.
We do have that. You’re sitting in it. Look to the right. That panel that pops up is your record. All those stats? Choices and things YOU did moved those around. That’s the game. Tab over. All those modules? YOU had to make the money through your chosen actions to get all those. The little hexagon eng symbols? Yep they didn’t just appear there, you had to make choices and do things in the game to get those.
That’s your personal narrative. That’s the summary of playing Elite.
Now wanting MORE things to choose to do to move and change the items in your narrative? Of course that would be most welcome. I think at the end of the day that’s what most everyone wants. New things to do that will yield different changes. Maybe a chain mission for unique stat module drop? Something more than credits, materials and rep. Things you can’t just buy.
Interacting with Mega Ship? Yea that’s new to me! I haven’t been to a mega ship yet. I only just started leveling up a crewman.
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At least you don't deny the fact that it's just another added grind added to the game.
No I don't, but I won't confirm it either as I don't have enough information yet. I suspect that I probably won't grind for any of it and just unlock them when I get the stuff without trying. The ones that I need to do an activity for I will see what it is before committing. You don't have to grind for them unless you want them ASAP. But that's your choice.
I'm perfectly fine with that though, as I prefer to play out my own personal narrative within the game on my own terms.
Same here.
Great comment. This shows great understanding of not only this game but of RPG generally.
FD is not a single, natural "person", as you say.
If individuals can't, or don't wish to, immerse in PN then it's not FD's problem.... it's the individual's lack of ability to create, and possibly and regrettably, think for themselves.
Unfortunately the Real WorldTM is made up of, by and large, people who either can't, or are too lazy to, think for themselves.
Sorry pal, but, what a load of bollards.
Tiny_Rick
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Nah, I love to think for myself. I just want more tools/activities in game to work with to make my experience more fun.
I'm sorry that I haven't reached the high level of Zen enlightenment where I can find the deep, personal narrative in spending hours blowing up rocks to turn in materials to a station menu for weapon unlocks.
It very well might come ultimately to that,
but, and this is a big but:
- what we now have is grinding due to either favouring a single task for speedy aquiring, or limiting the means of aquiring items to a single task
- allowing for all careers to influence the options available by playing these careers, there is an incentive to play what you want in the form of rewarding access/items
- playing what you want to play and represent thus is furthered, leading to rewarding experiences while building the personal narrative
My diamond stealing cg idea is as dead as piracy.
I never got any answer on that CG idea, thus i switch methods.
It seems to me that CGs are biased towards cargo hauling, retrieval and bounty hunting,
piracy never made it in.
Everyone is welcome to steal and kick in the fed's crown jewels at DS LEONIS.
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