I'm sorry to read how disappointed you are and I can totally understand that, but please understand that other people have other expectations too. As I said, they probably didn't get it as perfect as the others, but we can't tell in detail from one screenshot. And, I'm sorry again, I don't feel like I have to "learn" something because I personally have not "been burned so many times". I may have other standards than you have, but we don't need to agree here. It doesn't make my opinion and giving the benefit of doubt less valid than your disappointment.
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I'm sorry to read how disappointed you are and I can totally understand that, but please understand that other people have other expectations too. As I said, they probably didn't get it as perfect as the others, but we can't tell in detail from one screenshot. And, I'm sorry again, I don't feel like I have to "learn" something because I personally have not "been burned so many times". I may have other standards than you have, but we don't need to agree here. It doesn't make my opinion and giving the benefit of doubt less valid than your disappointment.
Actually I have been creating animal models out of clay/wire/fiber for well over 20 years now. As a hobby and commission work as well, I have models a large amount of models in private collections and museums, so your statement is not completely accurate. As an artist and perfectionist you end up doing more research on the animal's physical attributes and general appearance up to the smallest details, at times you spent considerably more time engaged in research than creating the model. I disagree with you, and respect your opinion, however the animal is for way too many reasons already stated in detail, the single worse model Frontier has ever created. This is not intended to shame Frontier as a company as they have produced some sensational work, it is meant to discourage this from ever happening in the future, and hopefully correcting the error. The artist responsible was not who we usually deal with, and I will stick to that.
This carnivore collection was created for a show, and it now resides in Dubai within a private collection, during its creation I had limited time, just under eight months, I was unable to add the necessary fiber layers to the animals the way I would have liked (very similar issue with Frontier's limitations with hair) As you can probably see with the Binturong in the back, even though the layers of hair that are distinctive of the species, are totally missing, the anatomy of the animal was captured correctly. Frontier's attempt to change a Red Panda into a binturong was a disaster.
exactly it DOES look like one people need stop complaining. Its nor perfect but to say it doesn't look like it at all what animal are you comparing it to? I totally agree it's probably going to look fine. It's just a game people. Calm down
It's a game where humans have little black dots for eyes, among many other unrealistic things... nothing is going to look perfectly accurate...
An actual real life binturong, as opposed to a melanistic red panda.
I don't approve hunting unless it's for survival, never for sport, but ironically taxidermy has fascinated me. That's one underfed BingturongTo loosen up the atmosphere a little bit take a look on how the taxidermy can destroy animal soul. Do someone sees any similarities?
Binturong from museum in China
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Its disappointing and frustrating, because I will be the first one to say that at times some of us can be over critical. A model might not be perfect for me and it might be totally acceptable for someone else, and that is absolutely fine. The frustration comes because this is the one time that it is beyond anything that can be explain. It is just not one picture it is a mugshot that places the binturong under the spotlight. It is the equivalent of driving towards the edge of a clift and believe that the road continues, that is the way we are looking at it.
Another example that might clear things up a bit, I have been super critical of the Orangutan model ever since the game was released, trying to get Frontier to either correct it or at least acknowledge it as something that will or will not be address down the line. There is always being silence in regards to that, and never other that one early video where one of the artist was asked if the Orangutan would have the hanging hair that characterizes them, and he responded that no, they were unable to get that level of detail at the time, since hair was very time consuming. Now I will admit, besides the Orangutan missing the hair, and behaving exactly as a gorilla, since brachiation is not possible yet, that model is anatomically correct, it is perfect in many ways, and the facial structure of it was captured accurately.
The difference here is that the things that impacted the Orangutan are very hard to correct, most of it is in relation to animation, even the hair is related to that. The binturong is a whole different story, this was just some real horrible work by someone that either did not have the proper experience or simply did not care enough.
Not getting something perfect would be the Snow Leopard in your avatar not being up to scale in the game. Something very easy to correct right? Still it has not being corrected. This is beyond being picky or having an opinion, it is just reality Lea_G and highly offensive towards those of us that were really looking forward to this model. Let's say that Snow Leopard is your favorite animal in real life and it end ups looking like an Iberian Lynx mixed with a honey badger, would it not be a problem for you?
Yeah... It's so bad.
I don't approve hunting unless it's for survival, never for sport, but ironically taxidermy has fascinated me. That's one underfed Bingturong
Yeah that is another extreme where the binturong looks like a possum. In any case, taxidermy when done correctly as an art form and never killing animals can end up looking superb. The only example that comes to mind is the Smithsonian Hall of Mammals, it is spectacular beyond words. The AMNH has some incredibly realistic pieces as well, others are horrible. Like all things, and in direct relation with what is happening with Planet Zoo, different artists and different curators.
It's so bad. It actually looks more like a raccoon dog. The head is so wrong.
This is exactly what I was saying.
Again, I understand why people have a problem with the look and as stated above, different opinions on the outcome of the model are totally valid. What I don't like is being told that anyone whose opinion differs hasn't yet learned to be critical enough. Because that indicates my opinion (which is not non-critical, by the way) is not accepted. It is perfectly possible to state one's opinion without undermining others.
Well, that was unexpected.
The ears just look really really weird. That looks very off. And the face is too fluffy/thick.
Imo, there's something different with the eyes as well. Can't really explain it but the ears and the eyes were the first things that felt off.
The right one suffers from the chosen angle but the one on the left gives a better overall view. (still doesn't change my opinion though)
Other than that it looks fine, but that's it. If I saw this picture without a name, it would say it's a Binturong.
Compared to the other animals in the DLC, this one is definately lacking.
Like NZfanatic already said, other (base-game) animals have some issues as well.
Edit: Not defending this but just to say: You'll get used to some slip-ups
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We nitpick because we love this game
Like no one's gonna nitpick the models for something like Zoo Empire or Mesozoica
While I'm here, the nose on the Malayan tapir can be more floppy.
Like no one's gonna nitpick the models for something like Zoo Empire or Mesozoica
While I'm here, the nose on the Malayan tapir can be more floppy.
I get to see and interact two individuals on a semi-regular basis, and it is always a pleasure. The bearcat is an icon of my city and is beloved by everyone where I live. The animals I get to see are ambassador animals at my local zoo and I volunteer there from time to time and get to see them. When I compare how those two beautiful girls look to what we have here...it saddens me.
Also, @Lea_G my comment at the top of this page was not directed at you, that's why I did not quote, @ or respond to anything you said.
I get that Lea_G, and that is why I try to be (TRY) non critical of other players opinions, because I do understand that expectations can be quite different, also what might be important to you, might not even ring a bell with me, etc. In this particular issue, because we are dealing with the appearance or lack of by an animal model, backgrounds are important as well, because not everyone might be looking for the same things, that is definitely critical here.
I completely understand your point as well, I have seen many posts in this forum complaining about the management aspect of the game and how some things could be improved, etc. My first reaction is, what are they even talking about? Why is that important? etc, however I know that I'm completely off when it comes to these things, because I simply do not play those modes or care about them.
So I have no issues with someone saying is not a big deal to me, I just wanted another animal, I do not care how it looks, I rather it be cute and playful, I get that. I would however take issue with opinions that characterized the model as accurate or not too significantly different from its real life counterpart because that is simply inaccurate and I will address it and point it out, respectfully.
The thing is we are already facing an uphill battle with Frontier to not even change it, but to even acknowledge that there is any issue. We know there are topics when Frontier chooses to remain silent, and animal appearance is usually one of them. So not only we have to fight for every argument to force them to take a second and respond, and possibly help us, but we have to then argue with a significant amount of players who happen to see no problem with it, and it shows division and an even bigger window of opportunity for Frontier to ignore the issue.
I think the same artist was responsible for both of these models. We need Frontier to step in and correct this one. This was an all animal dlc, they sacrificed scenery/foliage for this, they can put in the few extra hours it will take to fix it. It is not the end of the world, it can be fixed, it is all aesthetics at this point.
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You can't tell me these are suppose to be the same animal.