This is the crux of it; why would anyone want to kill an unskilled, unprofitable target? Like hunting rabbits with an elephant gun. Only one reason.
please don't confuse PvPers with griefers
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This is the crux of it; why would anyone want to kill an unskilled, unprofitable target? Like hunting rabbits with an elephant gun. Only one reason.
Yeah me too. I could have logged but I thought "come on man that's not sporting, he want a game, give him game" he blew me to bits because he was a good pilot. I went back into training developed a tactic now I'm ready again.
This I agree with...
Precisely why I have my cloaking device equipped. Which is to say I have a button bound that cuts my internet connection, and I go poof off your screen if you attack me... don't matter what you want.
For now that will suffice until they add a pvp toggle or a choice of an open server with pvp confined to conflict zones.
But I may not attack a Sidey for example, it depends.
This is why I will never venture into Open Play, regardless of how you define PvP. You say you're not in it to cause grief for others, yet in the same breath claim you'll pick the easy fights, or won't look for fair fights. It's still causing grief for the person you're attempting to pick a fight with. If they consent to it by playing in Open Mode, then they have nobody to blame but themselves. But I'll avoid Open Play because of griefers, or the alleged non-griefing PvP players such as yourself. Just looking for a little fun by picking on those weaker than yourself. Another ironic thing is people who are complaining there's nobody in Open Play... huh, with the OPs definition of PvP, is it any wonder many people will be playing Solo Mode.
even in eve a game that actively encourages scamming shooting newbies in the starting system is harshly dealt with.
i believe in elite when you take you're first flight you are automatically put in solo mode. this can be seen if you start a new save, click open then press escape and check your game mode. it's also a likely source of comms bugs when new friends join the game and you can friend them but not talk to them.
so i'd agree with your definition of griefing there. but when that newbie is running about doing missions in open then they are in dangerous space, NPC's and players will try to pull them out of super cruise and kill them. and both NPC's and players can do that even if you are clean and have no bounty. i've seen that often enough from the NPC's and have had a few attempts from players too.
most of my friends despite being good and skilled gamers started in solo mode until they got the hang of things because they could clearly see they would be an open target for other players.
it's odd that we do have a starting system after we were told a new save would have a random location. but seeing as this is the case then i'd support some extra rules in the starting system to prevent pvp.
outside of that system though unless they change the way faction space works then it's all open pvp, and that i don't consider to be griefing.
I neither exploit nor cheat, Im not concerned. Do you have some sort of official statement from FD that combat logging is considered a cheat or exploit? Ive never seen it. If they give me a warning then I suppose Ill just have to stick to solo play until they fix this glaring mistake, but I don't expect that will come.
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For all intents and purposes, you shouldn't see other players who attack you as being any different than NPC's attacking you. They often fight just the same too. If anything, they should just add the ability to disable CMDR in player names so you don't even know.
As far as PvP'ers roleplaying maniacs, I'm all for it. It adds a little unpredictability to the game, if not harming the realism a bit. There a ton of reasons to kill other players (pirating, bounty hunting, conficts, etc), doing so just for the sake of PvP kind of belittles the game, but it's also not very commonplace. Also, like in most games, they won't stick around for long. Especially in a game like this one, given its scope.
Complaining about PvP in open play just doesn't make sense to me. Like I said, treat all combat the same. Shouldn't matter if it's a player or NPC. There are NPC "maniacs" as well. Space has driven them mad, I imagine basement dwelling does the same for others
As far as PvP'ers roleplaying maniacs, I'm all for it. It adds a little unpredictability to the game, if not harming the realism a bit. There a ton of reasons to kill other players (pirating, bounty hunting, conficts, etc), doing so just for the sake of PvP kind of belittles the game, but it's also not very commonplace. Also, like in most games, they won't stick around for long. Especially in a game like this one, given its scope.
Complaining about PvP in open play just doesn't make sense to me. Like I said, treat all combat the same. Shouldn't matter if it's a player or NPC. There are NPC "maniacs" as well. Space has driven them mad, I imagine basement dwelling does the same for others
Do you ever read the Missions board? Sometimes there is a mission to blow up Traders.
I kill any player I can outside of empire controlled space, doesn't matter what they are flying or how long they've been flying it, despite having an RP excuse for doing it many would still say i'm a big bad griefer, simple fact is this argument happens in every game that features pvp that isn't via some kinda battlefront system or exclusively opt in, the same kind of people say the same stuff, blah blah their IRL bullies! daddy didn't love them ect.
Some people love conflict and thrive on it, some don't, killers have one place to enjoy non-consensual pvp, the others have multiple options to avoid it, but would rather get killed in open and proceed to demonise the pvpers, at the end of the day people love getting mad, thats why they watch Fox News and listen to shock jocks, love getting mad, love being the victims.
I'm happy to help.
Some people love conflict and thrive on it, some don't, killers have one place to enjoy non-consensual pvp, the others have multiple options to avoid it, but would rather get killed in open and proceed to demonise the pvpers, at the end of the day people love getting mad, thats why they watch Fox News and listen to shock jocks, love getting mad, love being the victims.
I'm happy to help.
now that is griefing. that poor newbie, probably flew right back to station chuffed to bits only to be blown away when the feds scanned him!
hehe, i hope you told him about smuggling
Nope, in solo mode you don't meet other players. With the PvP toggle you can communicate but not attack..
This is why it will never be implemented.
Obviously the toggle is the logical solution. The only people that would argue against it are the true griefers.
Precisely why I have my cloaking device equipped. Which is to say I have a button bound that cuts my internet connection, and I go poof off your screen if you attack me... don't matter what you want.
For now that will suffice until they add a pvp toggle or a choice of an open server with pvp confined to conflict zones.
This...is the worst kind of offense one can do. You sir will haunt my dreams tonight.
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I feel it would be better if people would quit talking about EVE whenever there's a discussion about Elite: Dangerous. I don't care what the rules were in some other game. They don't apply here. This is not EVE. In fact this game is in some respects meant to be the antithesis of EVE, and every other made-by-conglomerates title out there.
Make your arguments cogent, well thought-out and insightful, but do it without saying, 'I wish this was EVE!' Please.
Make your arguments cogent, well thought-out and insightful, but do it without saying, 'I wish this was EVE!' Please.
I don't get why people are complaining about being killed by other players. Did they not understand this was a mechanic of the game when you bought it? If the developers didn't intend for people to interact in Open Play this way why did they implement PvP in its current form in the first place?
The term Griefer is only there in a similar way certain words are used to stifle debate, then?
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