PLEASE MAKE POWERPLAY IN "OPEN ONLY"

[Velixar]

I want the majority to experience a better game

Well you are more than selfish. I wonder how many families are in the same boat as mine either Xbox or Play station. Wait for a game to be on sale. Then to be used on a console knowing players had to sacrifice Open mode just to play the game. Yes that money can be used for other thing more important than console subscription.

Then we have you CMDR KOBAL saying people who don't pay for the subscription are not important.

 

[CMDR KOBAL]

Well you are more than selfish. I wonder how many families are in the same boat as mine either Xbox or Play station. Wait for a game to be on sale. Then to be used on a console knowing players had to sacrifice Open mode just to play the game. Yes that money can be used for other thing more important than console subscription.

Then we have you CMDR KOBAL saying people who don't pay for the subscription are not important.

Trying to have a conversation with some of you guys is the most impossible thing in the world. You take words that I don't even say and you put them in my mouth. You cast judgments on my motives. I'm not going to waste my time having some sort of fight with you on here. You obviously aren't interested in any type of intellectual conversation.

 

[Velixar]

Trying to have a conversation with some of you guys is the most impossible thing in the world. You take words that I don't even say and you put them in my mouth. You cast judgments on my motives. I'm not going to waste my time having some sort of fight with you on here. You obviously aren't interested in any type of intellectual conversation.

How intellectual can it be if your worshiping Open Power play only and IGNORING US. All because we can't afford subscription to play Open and it can ruin my game play. It not Frontier fault. But console company fault.

Why don't you do this. Go on Xbox forums and Playstation forums state your idea and ask them will you let Us non subscriptions player To be able play in Open for Power play Open. Because right now we can only play it in solo. If it works I support your idea.

 

[Bashy81]

How intellectual can it be if your worshiping Open Power play only and IGNORING US. All because we can't afford subscription to play Open and it can ruin my game play. It not Frontier fault. But console company.

Care to tell us who youre pledged to and why? What is it youd be missing out on if Powerplay went OpenOnly? (Im trying to get an understanding beyond just 'powerplay' and 'my game is ruined', since the proposed changes to Powerplay that include going OpenOnly do account for a lot of common concerns.)

 

[varonica]

Care to tell us who youre pledged to and why? What is it youd be missing out on if Powerplay went OpenOnly? (Im trying to get an understanding beyond just 'powerplay' and 'my game is ruined', since the proposed changes to Powerplay that include going OpenOnly do account for a lot of common concerns.)

He would miss out in taking part in Power Play, that does seem to be what we are discussing right?

 

[Wolfe3]

How intellectual can it be if your worshiping Open Power play only and IGNORING US. All because we can't afford subscription to play Open and it can ruin my game play. It not Frontier fault. But console company fault.

Why don't you do this. Go on Xbox forums and Playstation forums state your idea and ask them will you let Us non subscriptions player To be able play in Open for Power play Open. Because right now we can only play it in solo. If it works I support your idea.

He would miss out in taking part in Power Play, that does seem to be what we are discussing right?

Ok this is what he means. For console players we have to pay a subscription to play online games. If (xbox cmdr myself with an xbox live subscription) you dont pay for the live feature you cant access the online multiple player options of any game. So if he doesnt have live he cant go into open because he is locked behind that paywall.

So even though his xbox is online, theres no chance for them to do any open only activities.

But im wondering what the actual numbers are for console player cmdrs that dont have live or whatever ps4 uses. People could be pandering that excuse for a very low percentage that are actually locked out for that reason.

 

[lenna]

All because we can't afford subscription to play Open and it can ruin my game play. It not Frontier fault. But console company fault.

I think this gives even more weight to the argument that gameplay options would be removed from existing non-Open players if PP went OO.

There are mitigation elements that could be done so as to avoid the removal of gameplay options such as rather than just making PP Open-Only, fragment the PP universe states as-follows:-

1. PC Open Power Play
2. XB1 Open Power Play
3. PS4 Open Power Play
4. Cross-Platform PG/Solo Power Play

There is no Cross-play thus Open Power Play would by necessity require the Power Play universe state to be fragmented in order to ensure the "hiding in other modes" (or "on other platforms" - which is tantamount to the same thing) argument is addressed. It may also be necessary for the game to automatically dump/destroy any Open-Mode Power Play related cargo/data on switching to PG/Solo modes - with an appropriate warning to the player on mode switch.

Personally, I think FD would be better to invent new (perhaps Open-Only) PP-like mechanics based around Squadron-membership and explicit Squadron opt-in. Squadrons themselves are already platform-specific in nature thus fragmentation of the existing universe database should be unnecessary. Given some proponents claim Squadrons+BGS provide better gameplay than current PP I would have thought this latter approach would be the best way forward.

 

[varonica]

Personally, I think FD would be better to invent new (perhaps Open-Only) PP-like mechanics based around Squadron-membership and explicit Squadron opt-in. Squadrons themselves are already platform-specific in nature thus fragmentation of the existing universe database should be unnecessary. Given some proponents claim Squadrons+BGS provide better gameplay than current PP I would have thought this latter approach would be the best way forward.

That would be ideal, if they add specific Open Only activites, that are actually constrained to open due to existing mechanics, then they aren't removing any of the pre-existing game play elements from solo that purchasers were able to access. To be fair though I think Solo players should also be given extra game play features not available to Open players, if they start adding lots gameplay elements that only work in Open then the Solo players have a fair argument that FDEV are ignoring thier mode in favour of other modes.

We are already getting Carriers that won't of course be available in Solo, so there's already actually a fair bit coming for Open and PG players that won't be available to Solo Players.

As far as I am concerned OOPP is a dead subject, it simply isn't going to happen and FDEV are much better off concentrating on enhancing squadron game play and other features.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

Trying to have a conversation with some of you guys is the most impossible thing in the world. You take words that I don't even say and you put them in my mouth. You cast judgments on my motives. I'm not going to waste my time having some sort of fight with you on here. You obviously aren't interested in any type of intellectual conversation.

Welcome to the internet. Memes to the left, jokers to the right.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

That would be ideal, if they add specific Open Only activites, that are actually constrained to open due to existing mechanics, then they aren't removing any of the pre-existing game play elements from solo that purchasers were able to access. To be fair though I think Solo players should also be given extra game play features not available to Open players, if they start adding lots gameplay elements that only work in Open then the Solo players have a fair argument that FDEV are ignoring thier mode in favour of other modes.

We are already getting Carriers that won't of course be available in Solo, so there's already actually a fair bit coming for Open and PG players that won't be available to Solo Players.

NPC Wingmen!

 

[varonica]

Welcome to the internet. Memes to the left, jokers to the right.

Stuck in the middle with you.......

 

[lenna]

NPC Wingmen!

True NPC Multi-crew too.

 

[Agony_Aunt]

I want the majority to experience a better game

There is usually more than one way to skin a cat.

PP could be dramatically improved with some efforts making it much more enjoyable for a majority of players. However, that might not include making it open only so the open only minority would unfortunately not get what they want.

 

[Velixar]

Care to tell us who youre pledged to and why? What is it youd be missing out on if Powerplay went OpenOnly? (Im trying to get an understanding beyond just 'powerplay' and 'my game is ruined', since the proposed changes to Powerplay that include going OpenOnly do account for a lot of common concerns.)

Well with 3 years of game play. I collected the Power play Modules I like. Some seem kinda lame. Now working on Li Yong-Rui. The Exploration data buff seems pretty good. Before this I was with Zachary Hudson for bounty bonus. All in Solo Mode.

 

[Velixar]

I do not have an xbox so I ask: is this paywall erected by Fd? because if it`s microsoft`s doing to tax online playing of any games, it is preposterous to strumentalize it and use it as an argument against oopp.

It not a tax. It Subscription Both Xbox and Play station has for their users to play online.

 

[Velixar]

As a pc user I call it a tax as I do not need to pay that on pc to enjoy internet.

Well I can still play Elite Dangerous solo with out open. But let me ask you a question. If the Role was reverses. Where real finance played a big part playing a game and a feature you like playing for years was suggested to be open only. Would you fight not having that feature Open only?

 

[Rubbernuke]

Every time I read this nonsense, it winds me up.

It is correct for those 'hardened' top ranking players, but not for the newer players, or the ones that have little experience of game combat.

Your statement: Which you have made a number of times, basically says, that you have NEVER lost a ship, to an NPC. Is that correct?

Yes. I have never lost a ship in Powerplay to an NPC, or when forting been interdicted by a PP NPC in the last 2 years.

 

[Rubbernuke]

An opinion based on facts: To play open on a console, the player HAS to pay extra. Perks, deals and whatever percentage; gets it for free, is irrelevant.

I'll make it clearer for you:

How many % wise of ED console owners have subs?

That was the question, if a high % have a sub, then there is no problem. The question is not that it costs more, its do you have it anyway?

 

[Rubbernuke]

Once again: Both sides have equal access to all modes and so. What you believe is happening against your power, in other modes. Can be being done as well, for your own power; without your knowledge.

Therefore: In theory, no 'mismatch' really exists.

So you are inferring then that the different modes have various difficulties? If thats the case what is the reward for playing in the harder mode? Is it weighted merits, or locking modes?

 

[Robert Maynard]

If thats the case what is the reward for playing in the harder mode?

Potential for PvP - and an unlimited population.