10-15 years ago, that wasn't an issue
Very similar in the Netherlands, btw.
If I had to sum up the NA themes in a zoo or anywhere else in the NL, saloons/goldmining stuff/settler wagon is something you can expect
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Very similar in the Netherlands, btw.
If I had to sum up the NA themes in a zoo or anywhere else in the NL, saloons/goldmining stuff/settler wagon is something you can expect
Yeah, thankfully most people live and learn, reflect on racist representation and don't do it anymore, I think it's called development. As someone who is part of a discriminated group, even if not racial, I appreciate.10-15 years ago, that wasn't an issue
I haven't been to many zoos/aquariums that are part of the AZA except for the Houston Zoo and Houston Downtown Aquarium (there's a pattern here, I know it)
Anyways, in the past 2 years Houston Zoo has been renovating and they have done their themes depending on what animals they have on display. For example:
(This didn't add much, but I thought it was interesting)
Anyways, in the past 2 years Houston Zoo has been renovating and they have done their themes depending on what animals they have on display. For example:
- The Texas Wetlands section theme actually resembles the new world theme in PZ
- The South American Pantanal uses treehouse-like structures, explorer's items, and one area is a little building with some Argentine decorations (very cool)
- The African Forest starts off as an explorer's camp then goes into an African village
(This didn't add much, but I thought it was interesting)
I would say, speaking from my own experience, I don't see a need for a theme in a North American pack.
-Bayou theme: We already have a log building set, like 3-4 other kinds of wood sets, Spanish moss and weeping willows. What else would you want?
-Pueblo theme: Too desert-y, especially when we just had a North African themed set
-General Native American theme: Incredibly insensitive, not that I ever think Frontier would do something like this. I was happy with how they handled aboriginal representation with the Australia pack.
-Modern and Planet Zoo themes combined basically are a typical USA zoo theme
-Western: Not a thing in zoos here in America, that I've visited anyways. Sorta crosses the line into theme park for me personally.
-Bayou theme: We already have a log building set, like 3-4 other kinds of wood sets, Spanish moss and weeping willows. What else would you want?
-Pueblo theme: Too desert-y, especially when we just had a North African themed set
-General Native American theme: Incredibly insensitive, not that I ever think Frontier would do something like this. I was happy with how they handled aboriginal representation with the Australia pack.
-Modern and Planet Zoo themes combined basically are a typical USA zoo theme
-Western: Not a thing in zoos here in America, that I've visited anyways. Sorta crosses the line into theme park for me personally.
Agreed. I personally want a NA animal pack. As I mentioned befreo somewhere, even if we get those 4 "leaked" animals, the pack would be superior if they add 3 more iconic NA species, such as a moose, coyote, puma, etc.
Personally, there are only 3 DLC I want (all animal packs, by the way):
- NA animal pack
- American Alligator
- American beaver
- Moose
- Puma
- North American otter
- California sea lion
- I'm torn between:
- Red fox
- Collared peccary
- Gray fox
- Coyote
- Red wolf
- Wild boar
- American black bear
- Wolverine
- Axolotl (E)
- SA animal pack
- Capybara
- Maned wolf
- Greater rhea
- Spider or howler monkeys (any species)
- Guanaco or vicuña (basically, the wild llama. It'd be kinda interesting for guests to see how they were domesticated and became the llama we know)
- Argentine black and white tegu
- Yarará snake (E)
- Oceania animal pack (mostly Australia, honestly)
- Tasmanian devil
- Platypus (we got the proboscis monkey. This shouldn't be a stretch)
- Emu
- Kiwi (any species. I see them as small habitat animals, like the meerkat)
- Yellow-footed rock wallaby
- Wombat (any species)
- Frilled lizard (E)
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I will say from what I’ve seen, it’s been done as respectfully as possible. When I went to the Memphis zoo in thier Northwest passage section, they had some Native American theming And it seemed tastefully done. Now, this is coming from an outsider to the culture so I don’t know how well it is executed but I didn’t feel as if it was too tacky or irresponsible If anyone more knowledgeable on Native American culture would like to correct me or inform me then that would be greatly appreciated
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Perhaps a Pacific Northwest theme working with First Nations artists could be done with appropriate sensitivity.
Here is a sculpture in that style outside the Vancouver aquarium. Although given the fuss we made over dromedarygate can you imagine what would happen if we got an orca statue?
Here is a sculpture in that style outside the Vancouver aquarium. Although given the fuss we made over dromedarygate can you imagine what would happen if we got an orca statue?
I like it. I honestly wouldn't mind that orca statue
Let me advocate for something here that I actually plan to talk about in an upcoming video.
Frontier can do an animal pack for North America if they play their cards right. Let’s take for example a hand the animal situation. Let me just spitball Moose, California Sea Lion, Beavers, NA River Otters, Cougars, Black Bear, Raccoons [Orcas if Frontier really loves me xo], and American Burying Beetle (RWPZ shoutout right there baby!). Most if not all of these are endemic to the Northwest. We can see some representation of the indigenous Americans show up via Totem-pole representation, and the scenery item could stack and such. Maybe throw in a more modern, art-forward interpretation of each of the aforementioned animals as well. Throw in a damn cool update scenery list and boom - you'll have good 'ole me on board.
Proper Indigenous representation is possible and I don't understand why people are fearful of it. Frontier did an exceptional job with the representation of Aboriginal cultures with the Australia Pack, and I can see them pulling through with this one.
I'm not going to address many of the previous allegations against me from yesterday, but I do want to apologize if my speech came off as "Paternalistic". If I see JWE and PC get burned by fire, I'm going to be cautious of PZ as well. Just giving my own expectations and I apologize if it sounded too demand-y.
Cheers!
I really like this take. The totempole idear is great and thogether with some statues would go a long way for a nice and appropriate theme.Let me advocate for something here that I actually plan to talk about in an upcoming video.
Frontier can do an animal pack for North America if they play their cards right. Let’s take for example a hand the animal situation. Let me just spitball Moose, California Sea Lion, Beavers, NA River Otters, Cougars, Black Bear, Raccoons [Orcas if Frontier really loves me xo], and American Burying Beetle (RWPZ shoutout right there baby!). Most if not all of these are endemic to the Northwest. We can see some representation of the indigenous Americans show up via Totem-pole representation, and the scenery item could stack and such. Maybe throw in a more modern, art-forward interpretation of each of the aforementioned animals as well. Throw in a damn cool update scenery list and boom - you'll have good 'ole me on board.
Proper Indigenous representation is possible and I don't understand why people are fearful of it. Frontier did an exceptional job with the representation of Aboriginal cultures with the Australia Pack, and I can see them pulling through with this one.
I'm not going to address many of the previous allegations against me from yesterday, but I do want to apologize if my speech came off as "Paternalistic". If I see JWE and PC get burned by fire, I'm going to be cautious of PZ as well. Just giving my own expectations and I apologize if it sounded too demand-y.
Cheers!
Personally what i want to see most is some new foliage, especally big trees for the game that i hope would come with the free update for northamerica, but maybe some tent style pieces would also be cool.
I just remembered that ZT2 had a native American theme. Technically called the tundra theme:
I believe this is a modded version, but I'm sure most of y'all remember this theme
I believe this is a modded version, but I'm sure most of y'all remember this theme
I guess I can clarify my thoughts on a specifically Native America/Indigenous theme. I don't really see how it's possible for there to be the normally 150-180 building pieces just for this one theme, without having to expanding into multiple cultures, which to me is a big no. Basically, what I don't want to see is Native American identity represented under one generic umbrella.
I do like the totem idea, I think if you got them designed by some Pacific NW tribe members it would be very cool. I just worry that some people abroad don't realize the sheer vastness that is Native American culture and how diverse it is. I mean, even in the states were we learn about, I'm sure there's plenty of people who still think every tribe lived in teepees and hunted bison.
What my ideal solution would be is a 7 + 1 Na animals pack where the actual animal artwork that we always get is in that totem style. That way it's all in one cohesive theme (unlike the SEA pack, still not sure why they went that route).
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Really glad that you specified that the animals are native to the Northwest. Institutions tend to get in trouble with totem poles because they don't realize that the poles are a NW native thing, and can convey stories.
So I don't think it will be hard for them to do it respectfully, given how they co-operated with Native artists for the Aussie pack. But that said, if they with a NW theme, I would really, really love salmon, even keeping them up to the parr stage (Actually in the salmon aquaculture field, myself, so this is possible from a logistical perspective.). Or barring that, can we get lamprey as an exhibit animal? Their young spend up to 17 years in freshwater before migrating out to the sea, and they are a cultural important fish, and once a dietary staple of many Native peoples in the southern NW U.S (Northern Cal- Washington, can't speak to anything North of the Columbia River though). Adults of both would only live for a few months though, but feeding them wouldn't really have to be done, since all of them are suffer in the extreme on a physiological level.
Yeah, this. People thought the Egyptian-meerkat statues controversy was bad? Oh boy, this would be so much worse (and valid in my opinion).
In all their packs they have to focus on one small part of a region or continent. They can’t cover everything.
If, as I suggested above, they went with a Pacific Northwest First Nations theme they could be very clear that they are highlighting the cultures of one specific area of North America rather than summarising all indigenous cultures in one “fake” or encapsulated theme.
And if, as I suggested above, they work with First Nations artists, I think that would be a great option. And if people complain, well let them.
If, as I suggested above, they went with a Pacific Northwest First Nations theme they could be very clear that they are highlighting the cultures of one specific area of North America rather than summarising all indigenous cultures in one “fake” or encapsulated theme.
And if, as I suggested above, they work with First Nations artists, I think that would be a great option. And if people complain, well let them.
Nooo, another beetle nooo
I agree that totems would be a cool addition.
I also think that although there are some building pieces I'd like to get, like the totems, I can't think of another full set with more than 180 pieces for North America. The Mexican theme is easy to recreate now with all the tiles from the Africa pack and the plaster pieces.
My dream would be an animal only pack and some building pieces in the free update (we got the statues last time and the mesh pieces now, so it's not such a crazy idea).
Personally, I'd love to see a Southern Grasshopper mouse. 1) we have no rodents, 2) these buggers are amazing. They are adapted to eat scorpions, tarantulas, other mice, and even baby snakes (they are hyper carnivores, which means that their diet is 70+% animal matter). They howl to mark their extensive 6-8 acre territories and are native the high deserts of the Eastern part of the NW. An adaptation of theirs makes them immune to most kinds of venom, and so they are forming the basis of research into non-addictive painkillers.Nooo, another beetle nooo
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Red foxes live just throughout North America, and Eurasia. Part of the reason I want a red fox, is because of how distinctive they are. They always have a white tip to their tail, even they can be red, brown, black, blond, silver, grey, etc.
Because they are beautiful animals, that's why. I visited a fox only zoo in Japan, it was amazing.