Pro tip! If you got to a conflict zone, EXPECT CONFLICT

Just stay in Solo/Private Group. Hopefully if enough people migrate to Solo/Private, we can kill off the horror show that is Open Play once and for all (not likely, but here's hoping).
 
Oh, those poor blisters! OP, you are clearly a monster!

Tell me, were can I find you? I've just upgraded my Keelback (high capacity magazine missile racks! Two of them!!!) and I will take fiercely revenge for your cruelty! You will so much regret thi...

Wait, what did you write? You fougth for the Federation and the combat loggers were Imperials?
Oh well, I just try to increase my rank with the Federation...

Can somebody else please take over?
 
This is awesome. Crusina, I'll have my packhounds Saturday. Want to wing up and see how bad the rage gets? :p
It will be awesome to have you fight with me every five minutes as you fire a few volleys then leave to re arm ;)

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Oh, those poor blisters! OP, you are clearly a monster!

Tell me, were can I find you? I've just upgraded my Keelback (high capacity magazine missile racks! Two of them!!!) and I will take fiercely revenge for your cruelty! You will so much regret thi...

Wait, what did you write? You fougth for the Federation and the combat loggers were Imperials?
Oh well, I just try to increase my rank with the Federation...

Can somebody else please take over?
Anyone who used a keelback in a CZ would get protection from me...I would never consider harming anyone strange enough to use a keelback in a high intensity CZ.

Consider yourself safe CMDR.
 
Just stay in Solo/Private Group. Hopefully if enough people migrate to Solo/Private, we can kill off the horror show that is Open Play once and for all (not likely, but here's hoping).

There are alot of players who will never go to solo or private. Lots of pilots share that sentiment.
The only thing more despicable than Combat Logging, are the Combat Loggers.


Funny avatar btw.
 
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It will be awesome to have you fight with me every five minutes as you fire a few volleys then leave to re arm ;)

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Anyone who used a keelback in a CZ would get protection from me...I would never consider harming anyone strange enough to use a keelback in a high intensity CZ.

Consider yourself safe CMDR.

Eh, it'll likely be about every 10 minutes, high capacity mags for the win lol.
 
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Normally I play Solo, so it's not a question. But the few times I've been in an Open instance in a CZ, I've had the good sense to have a quick glance around for CMDRs in massive ships and join their side, rather than the other one. Much less likely to get blown up by them that way.

As an independent contractor, I have no scruples about going for Fed or Imp depending on circumstances, or indeed mood.
 
I let CMDRs in smaller ships escape. Once that FSD begins charging, that's a win if you ask me. It's not like the 20,000 or so credits earned from blowing up a Mostly Harmless Viper III will make or break me. I usually don't even bother, as long as they don't either. PVP is a rare occasion for me.

Being an independent pilot, I also pick sides depending on what the other CMDRs are flying. I'm just here for the cash, not to prove anything. I bail immediately if I feel things are about to get rough.
 
Well now there are quite a bit more weaponry that makes piracy easier without being lethal about it.

Not quite sure what you mean by noticeable significance. That can be said for a lot of things no?


I'll try to clarify my thoughts:

When I joined Mobius, the focus was to give explorers a "safe" private group. The main (perceived) problem were player attacks without any attempt at RP and the sole intention of killing the attacked (I try to avoid the g-word). That was also about the time (or one of the times) when our most loved canine group boasted about infiltrating Mobius.

As for piracy - again MY thoughts - "real" roleplay "stand and deliver" piracy is rare. Explorers usually didn't and still don't carry any cargo, so removing piracy from the list or permissible interactions doesn't seem like a big drawback, compared to the advantage of getting a clear boundary for permissible behaviour. What would be gained if you could pirate explorers inside Mobius? You can interdict them, scan them and see they have no cargo, no guns, no drives, no shields (at least pre-2.1.5). So no financial gain and no sport.

Personally, at the moment, I'm usually in Mobius. In the area I am now, I could as well be in open - guessing from the non-existant scans of the systems I'm passing through, nobody has ever been here. When that gets too monotonous, I'll jump over to CQC, until the connection problems get overwhelming. Still at "helpless", though.
 
First off, I completely agree with the OP. You go to a CZ in Open you must expect to be shot at and killed by other commanders. If you don't, you have no clue what you are doing. And even though I don't do PvP I completely agree that CL'ing needs to have some sort of recourse from FDev.

On the other hand, these statements need some clarification:






Mobius accepts that PvP may happen in a CZ, because things move fast. Commanders are however not allowed to enter CZs with the purpose of PvP and to search out other commanders to kill them. There is a big difference between the two, and the latter is not allowed in Mobius. So, no, CZ is not a PvP approved zone in Mobius.
Just wanted to make that clear.
(NOTE: I do not want to derail this thread to be about Mobius, so please don't use this as a discussion point. It is meant as a fact-sharing post only, no discussion necessary)

It's a nice opinion, but here's another fact-sharing post, this time with actual facts taken from the Mobius policy webpage.

Inside Conflict Zones the following rules apply:

  • It is not allowed to attack a neutral player (a player not having chosen a faction)
  • It is not allowed to attack another player while being neutral (not having chosen a faction oneself)
  • It is not allowed to attack another player on the own chosen faction
  • Only if both players have activly chosen opposing factions may they engage in combat
  • It is not allowed to exit and enter a warzone in rapid succession for the sole purpose of targeting other players. Only if the wrong faction was chosen by mistake or by mutual agreement of the present players (For example in order for everybody to join the same faction).
 
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It's a nice opinion, but here's another fact-sharing post, this time with actual facts taken from the Mobius policy webpage.
The pertinent part is this "It is not allowed to exit and enter a warzone in rapid succession for the sole purpose of targeting other players."
So, you are allowed to target other Players, but you are not allowed to be in a CZ "for the sole purpose of targeting other players". Yes, you may engage another commander if he's on the other side, but it is not meant to be taken as a "PvP zone". If you are in a CZ in Mobius and specifically target only other commanders, you will get "a stern telling". Check this post and the following discussion, in addition to this reply from Mobius himself if you believe that a CZ is a "free for all" in Mobius. It isn't!

So much for opinion.

And so much for not derailing the thread ;)
 
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There are alot of players who will never go to solo or private. Lots of pilots share that sentiment.
The only thing more despicable than Combat Logging, are the Combat Loggers.


Funny avatar btw.

I was one of those who played only open, until engineers arrived! they are worst than aliens! ;)
 
So far I've had 5 imperial aligned pilots in the new CZ CG combat log on me (I have video evidence of it, is there a place to properly report them?) and I've had people rage at me because I killed them...in a war.

Yes, I do have an A-rated Corvette with Engineer upgrades to my weapons. But you know what? IT'S A WAR. How is it "unfair" for me to kill you?

Do you think it's "unfair" to kill the Cobra NPC pilots in the CZ? Probably not. So why are you getting mad that I "unfairly killed you in a small ship with my large one?"

It's not like I'm in a low intensity conflict zone. I'm in the middle of a high intensity one, fighting against the imperial capital ship, NPC's, and you. Like, what the heck? Is this what it has come down to?

The only thing that's unfair is the fact that you are fighting for the wrong side.
Glory to the empire!
 
An Engineered Corvette attacking a Sidewinder or Eagle isn't seal clubbing if it is in a CZ? aaallly?

Of course it's seal clubbing. However it's seal clubbing that really nobody should be whining about. It's lame (in my opinion) in that the player in the stronger ship is taking a risk-free kill which presents them with no challenge at all but it's nothing like getting interdicted in open space. It's ridiculous to expct to go to a combat zone in open play in a game which allows pvp combat and then expect that another player in the same combat zone won't engage in combat, no matter how overpowered they are compared to their target.

A CZ in open or in a group that allows pvp combat in CZs is not somewhere that a basic Sidey or Eagle should be unless the pilot thinks he's up to the challenge. It really is that simple.

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The pertinent part is this "It is not allowed to exit and enter a warzone in rapid succession for the sole purpose of targeting other players."
So, you are allowed to target other Players, but you are not allowed to be in a CZ "for the sole purpose of targeting other players".

No. It says you are not allowed to enter and exit a warzone in rapid succession (i.e. try to instance switch or log/relog, or just SC out and back in again) for the sole purpose of targeting other players. Doesn't say there's a damn thing wrong with simply targeting other players. I mean the words are there on the screen, it's pretty clear really.
 
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OYeah, combat-log... Again.

In open, during a CG and a conflict zone, yes they should expect conflict. So yes, it was a bad move from them.
But OP, reporting them would also be a bad move. Stop the witch hunt already - no one at Fdev cares and you shouldn't either. They combat logged - you won by procuration. You scared them off. Should be enough to know that.

Don't ruin other people's day for trivial matters in a videogame as Elite. It's not a competitive playground.
 
Well in OPEN and if you sat in a LowCZ and did this then it sure would get them Combat Logging. But then again, what's the difference just because the OP went to a HiCZ? If anyone is getting their     kicked fast then they the same right to get out if they can. Oh yeah - Combat Logging - it's in the game and no reports will stop it - lastly, it is the OP who is here whining not them!
 

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No. It says you are not allowed to enter and exit a warzone in rapid succession (i.e. try to instance switch or log/relog, or just SC out and back in again) for the sole purpose of targeting other players. Doesn't say there's a damn thing wrong with simply targeting other players. I mean the words are there on the screen, it's pretty clear really.
Yes, it does. But just like FDev has clarified what their definition of Harassment means, so has Mobius clarified what the rules in the CZs are. Like I said, check what Mobius stated in the thread I linked. And the first link I posted clearly shows that a commander was "punished" (ie. banned from Mobius afaiui) for killing another CMDR in a CZ.
So, what the text says on the page, and how the rule is enforced are not exactly the same. The rules part is a bit unclear unfortunately. Unless you have been in Mobius for a while and followed the discussions about the rules, I can understand why you think the "rules" on the page means you can target any-ol commander you please in a CZ. This really isn't the case. Which is why I clarified it.
 
So far I've had 5 imperial aligned pilots in the new CZ CG combat log on me (I have video evidence of it, is there a place to properly report them?) and I've had people rage at me because I killed them...in a war.

Yes, I do have an A-rated Corvette with Engineer upgrades to my weapons. But you know what? IT'S A WAR. How is it "unfair" for me to kill you?

Do you think it's "unfair" to kill the Cobra NPC pilots in the CZ? Probably not. So why are you getting mad that I "unfairly killed you in a small ship with my large one?"

It's not like I'm in a low intensity conflict zone. I'm in the middle of a high intensity one, fighting against the imperial capital ship, NPC's, and you. Like, what the heck? Is this what it has come down to?

I got killed tonight by a federal corvette in the CZ near phillips dock, was that you? No hard feelings just curious. I was getting a little arrogant and might have needed a good killing :)

I was in an FDL and dived in to a furball around 2 capital ships a player federal corvette and various and sundry smaller ships.
 
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Yes, it does. But just like FDev has clarified what their definition of Harassment means, so has Mobius clarified what the rules in the CZs are. Like I said, check what Mobius stated in the thread I linked. And the first link I posted clearly shows that a commander was "punished" (ie. banned from Mobius afaiui) for killing another CMDR in a CZ.
So, what the text says on the page, and how the rule is enforced are not exactly the same. The rules part is a bit unclear unfortunately. Unless you have been in Mobius for a while and followed the discussions about the rules, I can understand why you think the "rules" on the page means you can target any-ol commander you please in a CZ. This really isn't the case. Which is why I clarified it.

Fair enough. Have to admit though, that makes even someone who's as against lame gameplay, ganking etc as I am start to think that it's moved a little too far into snugglebunny territory to be honest.
 
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