PvE players are not the problem, FD's decision to split the players apart is

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There's allegedly a 100,000,000,000 solar systems in game. Players are going to be spread very, very thin anyway. Even if the area around Sol, some 500 LY is the only place where trading is taking place, it will be empty for the most part -- and while people might consider that empty, I'm fine with that. Space is huge and for the most part empty.

Elite never had pvp before; the fact that it does now is a change. It took 30 years to change that, so don't expect it to turn into a full pvp-only game anytime soon. I can't speak for other people, but I prefer Elite to be PVE. I'm not interested in an EVE clone. If solo play were dropped, I would move on to other games. That has nothing to do with 'inexperience' or 'new player' -- I can fly my completely kitted out T6 with my eyes closed and enjoy wandering around looking for better trade routes.

Even if the chance of running into a pirate that can blow me up is small, why would I want to take that risk to begin with. it's silly.

I do realise that pvpers need other players to 'play' with; over the last decade and a half, I've played many, many MMOs, most from their launch date and a few years. Inevitably there are pvp servers launched where people can slaughter each other. Sometimes they manage to live for a while, sometimes they go deserted in a matter of months. But inevitably, they are the first servers to be abandoned by the players -- because of the players. That is another reason why I look at these calls for moar pvp with more than a modicum of concern.
 

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Still a valade topic for discussion tho

For those who are on the nth repetition (where n > 12), it does get to feel like groundhog day though. New forum users arrive and have issues with the features of the game and perceive them as problems, threads are posted and replied to - it still changes nothing.
 
I think that two ways to solve this issue would be to increase the difficulty of the NPC's up a notch and have stronger differentiation between safe systems and anarchy systems including faster response of security forces.

There are many valid reasons for wanting to play solo, but I agree that doing so for an easier ride shouldn't be one of them.
 
For those who are on the nth repetition (where n > 12), it does get to feel like groundhog day though. New forum users arrive and have issues with the features of the game and perceive them as problems, threads are posted and replied to - it still changes nothing.

Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today, also the topic for the day is Open vs Solo, so get excited.
 
Just to agree with HaB1971 "And all of that is just your opinion... thanks...

Reason I play in solo is I don't care who you are, don't want to play with you, see you, contact you, interact with you.. I was promised a single player game (albeit with internet connection) and it is exactly what I got and I'm loving it... "

The original Elite games were ONLY solo, there was no always online back then (ah the good old days) Lots of us, the silent majority im guessing are more than happy with the way it is.

But im also thinking the PvP side of this game is not what its really about, you are never gonna get whatever it is you want from that type of gameplay in Elite.
To misquote an old Jedi "This is not the game you are looking for".
So sorry you didn't do your research properly or you were led to believe that Elite was going to be the new pew pew PvP in space second coming of Eve etc. That trailer lets be honest was mind boggling it was so far from the game.

Hell what do I know it may well be one day but today is not that day.
And I am coming from playing the originals back in the day and progressing through to playing a lot (too many) online MMORPGs if I want online interaction I go to Azeroth (and I don't get abused there for not wanting to PvP either.

There are probably thousands out there who are quite happy playing the new Elite in the style of the old Elite if you like, and no amount of forum whingeing is going to make those people come to your universe so you can blow them up and steal their stuff. but the NPCs do need to become more "Dangerous" on that point I will agree.
 
Ok how about this cut back the Universe in Open back to 50 systems ,then there will plenty of concentration of players,then the PVP crowd can have all the combat they want.
 
Its not about Player VS Player its about Player able to interact with Player.

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Agreed! Damn straight! Testify brother ...

People should be able to play the game they spent their money on any way they like provided it's within the rules. No one has the right to call them cheaters when they make use of a mechanism provided and advertised in the game.

I'm glad you see this now and I wish you happy hunting.

Fly safe!

i was joking i actually want people to play with me no solo or in private group lol
 
Ok how about this cut back the Universe in Open back to 50 systems ,then there will plenty of concentration of players,then the PVP crowd can have all the combat they want.

How about 1 system and 1 station with a sort of lobby instead of the message board and different game modes like "kill streak" and such and re name the game to Elite:Advanced Space Warfare.

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They could even get Kevin Spacey to do the ships computer!
 
Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today, also the topic for the day is Open vs Solo, so get excited.
Oh god, Dabba, not that ole topic again! Can't we just have a bonfire and make smores?
 
Your argument about an empty universe doesn't apply to me. I play in Mobius's Private PVE group.

Someone recommended a PVP group, go make one of those and all the PVP folks can join there. Since there are apparently thousands of you the universe will be populated with other folks wanting PVP.

this ^^ now there is a good idea. why don't one of the Pro PVP crowd start one of those and advertise it in lieu of bringing this kind of thread up over and over? seems a fair idea

Let is begin another flogging of the dead oh wait its been reduced to atoms.

Use the search function and you will see many.... 100's of threads on this subject.

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I'm now convinced that this is a concerted attempt by a guild to consistently bring up the same topic in the hope it will dupe the developers into thinking this issue is affecting a larger number of people than it actually is.

I am happy to debate your arguments for open/solo, but please let's keep it to one thread.

It wouldn't surprise me.

And if the plan were to work and Frontier fall for it, and remove Solo play.

80% of the players then disappear out into the 400 billion star systems never to be seen from again.

Guild comes back and complains that there are too many systems and all the PvE players have run off into the unknown...

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this ^^ now there is a good idea. why don't one of the Pro PVP crowd start one of those and advertise it in lieu of bringing this kind of thread up over and over? seems a fair idea

Spaceship!
 
@CMDR Cheknov

Your solution to solving the "problem" of lack of player interaction is to jettison Solo mode.

Some people play solo, due to wanting a single player experience, others due to believing they are somehow safer in Solo than Open.

The former is totally valid the latter shouldn't be valid and if it is then improving the AI so that it's just as risky being attacked by a human at various levels will mean that the people playing in solo for that reason actually move into open to get mutual support from other commanders.

The balance between Anarchy and Safe systems needs to be more pronounced from a risk reward perspective.
 
The balance between Anarchy and Safe systems needs to be more pronounced from a risk reward perspective.

Yes, yes, yes. If you want to start threads asking for higher difficulty, better NPC interactions, more varied mission options, improved smuggling, and more danger in Anarchy space, then you have my sword, I stand with you brother.

As long as you are asking people to be forced into playing a game mode they are not interested in, we are squarely in opposition.
 
Okay, campers, rise and shine, and don't forget your booties 'cause it's cooooold out there today, also the topic for the day is Open vs Solo, so get excited.

Man...this isn't even what the OP was about. It's the opponents that are turning this into another Solo v. Open beating dead horse troll thread and they don't even seem to realize it. The OPs suggestion can apply to Solo mode as well.
 

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Ok how about this cut back the Universe in Open back to 50 systems ,then there will plenty of concentration of players,then the PVP crowd can have all the combat they want.

Its not just about combat, people from the PvE camp keep making the same misinterpretation over and over.
Those of us that are crying out for more player interaction in the multiplayer game are not nescessarilly looking for a privateer type killfest which is for some reason is what the PvE players seem to think.

What we are looking for is the ability to play the game in other roles... Be that as a pirate, assasin, bounty hunter, whatever.... we want to do this within the context of Elite universe not some cut down battle arena.

The reason for all the angst I think is that with the traders mostly removing themselves from the game.... The whole experience has bottomed out for everyone else....
 
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